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To: koan who wrote (187620)	4/25/2012 12:53:38 PM
From: peter michaelson	Respond to of 543488

I agree with all of that but could never state it so calmly and eloquently. Thanks.

To: koan who wrote (187620)	4/25/2012 1:23:05 PM
From: Cautious_Optimist	Respond to of 543488

Most of my conservative friends are moderates; they aren't the ones who have enlisted in the noise machine to take demagogic talking points viral 7X24. Well, to be fully disclosing, I live in (Northern ) California where even our previous GOP Governor was a believer in MMGW and pro choice. . . And unfortunately. Hummers, and hummers away from a girl named Maria.. . . :-( Just like the range of views, even within abolitionists, about slavery in the nineteenth century U.S., the fabric of our times masks so much injustice from even a (proud) centrist liberal like myself much less those who choose FoxNews and Limbaugh over the New York Times or a scholarly book. In enlightened society we endeavor to turn on more lights, and the new small "t" truths open up more questions and uncertainties -- so then we might improve how we solve problems in a relative and changing world. This is primarily where the scared part ways to the comfort of the right wing and become classic bedwetting bullies. promoting capital "T" Truths that trickle down from their masters. There are also the conditions of alienation and an depression/addiction syndrome as ways out, which is worth another discussion. Or just denying that the world is real, and becoming cynics. We can address reality with fear and embracing the machine and privileged greed; becoming reactionaries as the political cults promote. OR we can embrace openness and open society, knowledge, human based morality, the scientific method, and the hopes of leaving the planet better than when we came here. We will still have a spectrum of views, but we will argue with reason and evidence, and agreement to constantly improve things in the real world.

To: koan who wrote (187620)	4/25/2012 2:29:45 PM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543488

IMO, the right wing does not understand political reality, and history, science, or logic very well (they don't practise it). Spoken like another frustrated member of the reality-based community who Just Doesn't Understand: The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." en.wikipedia.org That was allegedly Karl Rove circa 2004; I've been flogging that quote since it was first published in the NYT magazine. The "We" in "We're an empire" would normally parse as "America" I guess, but the empire in question would actually seem to be the movement conservatives in charge of American foreign policy at the time. But in light of the general disregard for history, logic, science and economics rampant among the current GOP smart set, the We would seem to be more the empire of American conservative thought. It's a little depressing how impregnable the empire seems to attack by normal rational processes, but that's life.