SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Politics : View from the Center and Left -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: bentway who wrote (187733)4/28/2012 4:18:55 AM
From: koan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 543755
 
60% of the kids who voted for Obama in 08 stayed home in 2010. So there is your loss of the house by the dems.

As I have been saying for years, I believe it was disappointment in Obama turning right after the election that lost we dems the house.

And the grand irony, IMO, is that what the kids saw was subtle, but they saw it because they are smart.

E.g. take Bob Gates, the fatherly looking Republican defense secretary Obama kept on (who tripled the troops in Afghanistan!). A hopeless war every liberal saw, except Obama apparently?

Gates has now joined with Steven Hadley and Cond Rice in a new venture. Hadley is a venal, terrrible and stupid person who was an understudy to Wolfowtiz and fellow a key neo architect of Bush's misadventures. A neo con asshole. And Condi Rice a master oportunist and immoral person.

No one on this thread would form a partnership with those scumbags, so what kind of man is Bob Gates anyway and why did Obama keep him on?

That is what the kids saw in 2010 and were judging Obama on IMO, and why they stayed home and may stay home again in 2012.

Too many cases like that.



To: bentway who wrote (187733)4/28/2012 11:18:33 AM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 543755
 
What Obama's Willingness to Deal with the Right Means for Progressive Politics
Obama was willing to make substantial cuts to the crown jewels of liberalism--Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid--in order to get a deficit-reduction deal with Republicans.

April 4, 2012 |



Recently, three articles have been published analyzing President Obama’s negotiations with Republicans about a deficit reduction deal (Peter Wallsten, et al., “ Obama’s evolution: Behind the failed ‘grand bargain’ on the debt,” Washington Post; Jonathan Chait, “ How Obama Tried to Sell Out Liberalism in 2011,” New York Magazine; Matt Bai, “ Obama vs. Boehner: Who Killed the Debt Deal?New York Times Magazine).

All three articles come to essentially the same conclusion: Obama was willing to make substantial cuts to the crown jewels of liberalism---Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid---and get little in return, in order to get a deficit-reduction deal with Republicans.

The details of the proposed deal should be very disturbing to anyone who believes in Democratic core values and protecting the American Dream. In addition to substantial cuts to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the domestic budget, Obama was willing to reduce top-end tax rates, maintain current tax rates on investment income (the reason millionaires like Mitt Romney pay such low tax rates) and prevent the expiration of the Bush tax cuts in return for increasing tax revenues by $800 billion.

That amount is less than half the amount of new revenues recommended by the co-chairs of the Bowles-Simpson Deficit Reduction Commission, but, as it turns out, the $800 billion in “new revenues” was mostly a mirage. The $800 billion mentioned by the Republican Speaker of the House, John Boehner, would not have come from increasing taxes on anyone, especially not the rich, who would have had their taxes cut even below the Bush tax cut levels, but from nebulous plans to “overhaul the tax code,” which may or may not have ever gotten through Congress, and from projecting new revenues based on the largely disproven assumption that lower tax rates would boost the economy and produce more revenues (the laughable Laffer Curve). As one of the authors, Jonathan Chait, characterized it, “The Republican position was that its higher revenue, in other words, had to be imaginary, theoretical revenue.”

Obama did not reject this proposal. In fact, according to the Washington Post article, “[W]hen Boehner brought up economic growth, arguing that his caucus would not accept tax increases under any other terms,” Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said, “Yes, we accept that” and Obama’s Chief of Staff, Bill Daley, is quoted in the Washington Post article saying, “We walked away feeling that we were 80 percent there” [to achieving a deal]. Events intervened, including a proposal by a bipartisan group of senators for $2 trillion in higher revenues---real revenue increases, not the imaginary increases Obama apparently was willing to accept in a deal with Boehner.

In fact, the Gang of Six proposal, which was supported by some very conservative Republicans, including Senator Lamar Alexander, then the third-ranking member of the Republican Senate leadership team and senators Tom Coburn and Saxby Chambliss, contained $2 trillion in real revenue increases, including higher taxes and stronger protections for the poor than the deal Obama was negotiating. This caused Bill Daley to say, “We’d be beat up miserably by Democrats who thought we got out-negotiated” if Obama took the $800 billion of phony revenue projections, and no deal was concluded.

Nevertheless, with the prospects of a deal dimming and even with the embarrassment of the much better Gang of Six proposal in the background, two days later, according to the Post, “Working late into the evening, Obama asked someone to get Boehner on the phone. His message: I’ll take your last offer.” At this point. Boehner refused to reopen negotiations and Obama was left at the altar without a mate. But, the Post article reports that, “White House officials said this week [March 17] that the offer is still on the table.”

cont
alternet.org



To: bentway who wrote (187733)4/28/2012 4:14:54 PM
From: Cogito  Respond to of 543755
 
Bipartisanship never stood a chance
I didn't know about the secret meeting, but I certainly saw how the Republicans' first priority was to thwart Obama right from the beginning. They opposed policies they themselves had promoted, and showed no signs whatsoever of actually wanting to move forward in any area.

It was rather ironic that the healthcare law, which contained mostly ideas that had emanated from places like the Heritage Foundation, was attacked as being a sign of how radical and socialistic the President was. But that was emblematic of the fact that all the Republicans wanted was to have their power back, no matter what the consequences might be.

And of course, they continue to blame Obama for not governing in a bipartisan manner.