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To: Steady_on who wrote (24691)	5/20/2012 3:18:37 AM
From: PaperProphet	Respond to of 53574

"If you have better numbers please feel free to post them. We can compare calculations." Alright...I just acquired the Midas touch. I can turn anything into solid gold by touching it with my finger but I need expensive gloves so I don't turn everything into gold. Based on the $400 gloves and my throughput, I can make gold for $0.03/oz. Pretty good, huh? Unless you have a better calculation showing a more accurate cost of the gold I'm producing. Let me know and we can compare calculations. Now if you just say, "Hogwash, you can't turn anything into solid gold just by touching it." then you're starting to get a clue of how most people here feel about Mr. Bordynuik any why we don't think much of your constant challenges to provide calculations and guesses to compare to your pollyanna-esque guesses. Don't get me wrong, I'm very certain garbage can be turned into an oil by pyrolysis very cheaply--that's been proven over and over. So far that oil has never been very useful. Now if Mr. Bordynuik (or anyone else using pyrolysis) uses HDPE, PP or PE plastics, the output will be hydrocarbon only and I suspect that output would actually be useful and potentially valuable...but the market cost of those types of scrap plastics used as feedstock would prohibit a profit. Plastic, even scrap, is a value added material over crude oil--that's why society makes plastic out of crude oil in the first place. When Mr. Bordynuik says he can get all the plastic he needs for free--thereby bypassing the market for scrap plastic, I say, "Hogwash." You see plastic thrown into landfills and you see "waste plastic" and think it must be free in any quantities but that shows you don't understand the cost of sorting those plastics, by type, out of the waste stream. It's expensive and that's why you don't see people collecting plastic from landfills and selling it at market prices for scrap.

To: Steady_on who wrote (24691)	5/20/2012 4:03:49 AM
From: PaperProphet	Respond to of 53574

Steady_on, let me tell you why you're going to lose all of your money on this stock.... This board is certainly a good place for discussion and presenting arguments and those can work both ways. However when you present your arguments, you present them with significant reliance on assumptions that you make. When asked for your basis, you vanish, retort or challenge others for numbers. You can see how you're not going to convince anyone. On the other side, havning anyone try to convince you, when I ask you to speculate on why Mr. Bordynuik hides the numbers, is vague on the revenues and costs, or doesn't clearly and unambiguously state his value proposition of making diesel for less than $10/bbl, you simply vanish. If I point out you could e-mail Mr. Bordynuik to get some basis for your assumptions, you come up with multiple excuses why you can't. So you can see again, why we won't ever be able to convince you--you take flight or you stick your head so far in the sand so we can only see the soles of your shoes. So we're at an impasse--with you being the weakest link in both directions. You can't influence anyone and nobody can influence you--you're destined to stay until the end and lose your money. I've seen that happen over and over on multiple scam stocks.