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To: Solon who wrote (26701)6/5/2012 2:21:20 AM
From: Greg or e  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
"All creatures act to their benefit."

Sure but when a male bear kills it's own cub just so he can have sex with it's mother we don't call that immoral. When humans do it we throw them in jail or execute them.

"Nothing to do with our discussion."

LOL a bear is not a creature????

"All animals have different Natures evolved through Evolution. That includes humans."

Of course that simply begs the question...

"A bear does not inform moral behaviour through the application of Reason, discussion, and Schooling!"

Again: it's perfectly reasonable to kill your kid if it will bring about your desires. Just ask Susan Smith. Why is that illogical? as far as "schooling" again: you simply beg the question.

"Experience and Reason showed us where true benefit obtained."

LOL! Experience and reason unaided by objective, transcendent, morality show us that people can do anything they desire as long as we can get away with it.

"(Speaking of bears)...we now know that sending bears to slaughter 42 little kids for laughing is extremely immoral and was put into fiction in order to represent the primitive worship of power and the pertinence of fear to control."

You are clearly obsessed/enraged at the idea that God would judge His creatures. Obviously you are aware of the implications on your own life and it bothers you a lot!

"We now know that human sacrifice (such as practised throughout numerous cultures, and most famously exemplified in the Christian example of the Jesus myth) is NOT a benefit to human life..."

Of course you are comparing apples to oranges and then rejecting both of them. How do you know that Jesus sacrifice was not beneficial to Human life? If (through the sacrifice of one,) many are saved: how is that not beneficial?

<“What the Nazis did was completely rational and benefited their "group">

"Genocide is not rational--certainly not in a global community."

There is no global community who's survival and health takes precedence over the desires of the individual. How do you get there from the survival of the fittest?

"It destroyed an entire Nation and brought ignominious defeat and death to the perpetrators."

LOL! Only because they lost. If they had won they would have been totally justified (given the atheistic, might is right, morality) in disposing of their rivals.

"Reason shows us that cooperation is the greatest moral attribute of homo sapiens."

"Reason" shows us no such thing. Reason, (devoid of an overarching, transcendent, ethic) shows us that whatever you can get away with is "right".

"However, when it excludes other humans it can certainly turn out badly."

That's a long ways off from being truly, morally, "wrong" . You're just whistling past the graveyard of the "Rational" conclusions of your atheist amorality.

The rest of your post is just an emotional, ad hominem, rant.