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To: John Carragher who wrote (489818)	6/5/2012 2:18:42 PM
From: aladin	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793970

John, Thanks for posting that - my older son graduated in 2009 from Clemson with a Computer Engineering degree and had a class that was largely domestic. My younger son just graduated in Architecture and also had a very domestic sounding class. Both groups looked to be under 10% foreign. There are a number of south asian kids - but typically they are 2nd generation - the children of the engineers who came over on H1-B1 visa's and became citizens. Grad schools do have a lot of 1st generation Indians and Chinese. John

To: John Carragher who wrote (489818)	6/5/2012 3:29:16 PM
From: sm1th	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793970

Approximately 632,700 graduate students were enrolled in science, engineering, and health (SEH) programs That site uses an extremely broad definition, including social sciences and psychology. Drilling down to the narrower definition of engineering, which is what I commented on, undergrad enrollment peaked in 1985, declining steadily to a bottom in 2001, and increasing since then but still below a 27 year old peak. Using their data on Math and Computer science the closest data to my field, the peak was a little later than I thought 2004, but had fallen 30% by 2008. That is consistent with what I see in my professional journals, and is a direct response to the internet bubble and bust. 40 years ago there were a lot of foreign grad students, although I think there are even more today, but undergrad programs have many more foreigners. Not enough American kids want to enter those fields today. It is true that engineering jobs are increasingly offshored, but I have never met a competent engineer who stayed unemployed very long. nsf.gov When I was a kid in the 60's science and engineering were cool and a lot of the smartest went into those fields. Today they want to be lawyers.