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To: koan who wrote (192080)	6/19/2012 12:30:54 PM
From: Bread Upon The Water	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 543792

Message #192080 from koan at 6/19/2012 11:40:38 AM But, here is where most people get lost, IMO. Including academics. Existentialism requires one to see in their minds eye something much differently than most people see now. That is very hard to do for anyone. It is like trying to get a religious person to change their religion. Good luck. It was years after college that I finally saw it, but I really don't know how to explain the vision or the subject. Only that I believe it is something one can see with lots of thought. h ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Seminars_Training That statement reminds me of the EST movement sweeping California in the 70's were people paid a bunch of money to be locked into an auditorium and were denied bathroom privileges until they "got it". I'm not intentionally trying to disrespect your experience, but that is what it reminds me of. Obviously, you do realize if that is your "existential" experience you will not be able to talk about this in any meaningful way to anyone else who has not experienced such transcendence. Or if not, why not?>> I disagree totally. Your problem here is simply a lack of experience. I can see by your post that you have bits and pieces of the 60's, but your mental image is sort of like looking at a butchered elephant with only 20% of the pieces availabe and no idea of how they go together to make a whole elephant. What happened is this. First one has to believe that all our cultures in the 50's were antiquated in relation to a more sophisticated understanding of things e.g. civil rights, womens lib, gay rights and reality itself. Think about the crazy things our culture was teaching the kids in the 50's. That segregation was OK. That sexism was OK. That wars should not be questioned. That there was no larger reality than what our culture was dishing out to us. That conformity was necessary e.g. long hair was even considered bad on boys. It was blind conformity that might be the thesis. Some of the smartest kids saw this was nuts and as they rebelled, more and more kids caught on. And so the 60's began and changed our culture forever. Now tattoos piercings and long hair are common place. I don't disagree with those statements it's just that they don't go to my premise on the source of the protests. I sometimes think you are deliberately obtuse to obfuscate positions you have taken that would be difficult to defend. Or if not that, then the drumbeat by which you march IS really different, but so different that there is no commonality by which to discuss it's implications. In any event taking your statement at face value you have set yourself up as an "expert" on a generational experience that several of us here as young adults have live thru. The most rational explanation of that experience would be that necessarily, given human individuality and fallibility, we would all have differing personal experiences of this. Which is why it would be better to refer to 3rd parties who have studied the same by which you foreclose the possibility of by dissing academia. I guess we'll have to, necessarily, leave it at that