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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (24277)	8/21/2012 12:14:24 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 85487

How mainstream? Party platform mainstream. Republican platform draft endorses Todd Akin's abortion stance. And Paul Ryan's. And Mitt Romney's. by Jed Lewison Follow for Daily Kos In 2007, Mitt Romney said he'd be "delighted" to sign a bill banning all "abortion in this country ... period" There is no daylight at all between Todd Akin's position on abortion and the GOP's official position on abortion: The Republican Party is once again set to enshrine into its official platform support for "a human life amendment" to the Constitution that would outlaw abortion without making explicit exemptions for rape or incest, according to draft language of the platform obtained exclusively by CNN late Monday. "Faithful to the 'self-evident' truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed," the draft platform declares. "We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children." It would be bad enough if Republicans merely wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade, stripping women of their reproductive rights and bringing back the era of back alley abortions, but they also want to force victims of rape or incest to deliver their attacker's child. They even want to force women whose live's are at risk to continue their pregnancies. Despite the GOP's attempts to distance itself from what Todd Akin said about rape and pregnancy, this is exactly what Akin was arguing for. He might be apologizing for the way he offered his argument, but he has not changed his position—not one little bit. But it's not just about Todd Akin. This is also Paul Ryan's position. For the past five years, it's been Mitt Romney's position too. And now, it is once again going to be the position of the Republican Party. 6:41 AM PT: And yes, Mitt Romney owns this process: and if anyone was wondering, multiple Romney campaign advisers have been present and involved in both days of GOP platform debate — @PeterHambyCNN via web dailykos.com

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (24277)	8/21/2012 12:30:47 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie	2 Recommendations Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 85487

There is a difference between forcible rape and statutory rape. And the redefinition that was in that bill had nothing to do with the punishment of criminals, it had to do with federal funding of abortion. And there is the crux of the problem. Nobody is even trying to stop abortion, they are trying to stop the use of federal funds for abortion. And the reason they are trying to do this is that there are many people who believe that individual life occurs at conception and that killing a fetus is murder. If liberal women want other people to keep their policies off of their bodies, then they should stop asking everyone to pay for their private and intimate medical procedures. Liberals are making women's bodies the business of the religious right by forcing them (the religious right) to pay for contraception and abortion. This is one of those things where the federal government should have zero involvement. There should be zero federally funded abortions. That's not the charter of the federal government. If you want free contraceptives and abortions, have George Soros and Bill Gates pay for them. Don't force people to pay for abortion when they consider it to be a mortal sin. I am not anti-abortion. But I also understand that the definition of when an individual human life begins is a gray area scientifically. I also understand that there are many people who have a definition from their faith that makes abortion a mortal sin and equal to murder. It is not ethical to force those people to participate in the activity. Can't you see that? But then again, you pointed out that Akin's views are the mainstream. In fact, that was what I was saying with the hollywood views of Roman Polanski. Whoopi Goldberg said that Roman Polanski wasn't guilty of "rape-rape" (legitimate rape?). I guess by her definition, the qualudes and alcohol that Polanski gave to the 13 year old girl are equal to agreement to whatever sexual act he wanted to do. BTW: the article that you referenced only shows that Paul Ryan agrees with Todd Akin in that there is a difference between forcible rape and statutory rape. Of course, this should be obvious in that there are two distinct definitions. I didn't see anything in the article posted or the links that suggested that Paul Ryan agreed that pregnancy couldn't occur in forcible rape.