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To: Kevin K. Spurway who wrote (26241)	11/29/1997 6:29:00 PM
From: StockMan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572600

Kevin, Re -- although I'd put the number closer to 1.5 speed grades Sometimes its worthwhile to think a little. Why did Jerry say that AMD would be 2 speed grades behind Intel? And how did you arrive at 1.5 speed grades. Please dont show your ignorance, you could become a clown like Brian. Stockman

To: Kevin K. Spurway who wrote (26241)	11/29/1997 8:14:00 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572600

<It's statements like these that reveal to the thread exactly how biased and misinformed you are. A vanilla Pentium runs at 3.3V--> Kevin, you took the words right out of my mouth. Perhaps you are unaware that Intel has stopped production of vanilla Pentiums. Does it make sense to compare a K6 to a product no longer in production? You must compare it to an MMX Pentium. A Pentium with MMX technology, be it a 166mhz, 200mhz or 233mhz requires a vcc of 2.8v, not 3.3v as you attempted to mislead the thread to believe. Go to the Intel website and download the datasheet and look for yourself. Your statement suggesting that heat dissapation is the limiting factor for clocking the K6 to higher speeds shows how limited your understanding of this subject is. It is much more likely that internal speed paths are the limiting factor, excess heat just makes it worse, slowing down the process even more. <why are you claiming that AMD is producing 233's in only sample quantities? Isn't that tantamount to claiming Intel is only producing the 3000 mhx PII in sample quantities?> No, I said little more than sample quantities. The market is not demanding more 300mhz PII's than Intel can supply. There are no claims of a 300mhz PII shortage and Intel hasn't had to explain away red ink because of poor 300mhz PII yields. The market is demanding more 233mhz K6's(if we are to believe AMD's claims), AMD is unable to produce them in quantity and AMD is claiming this as the reason for financial losses. I would like to point out that your statement that AMD was 2 speedgrades behind Intel because they (AMD) have to test to rigorous standards and the slot1 allows for better heat distribution, is tantamount to saying that Intel is 2 speed grades ahead of AMD because they (Intel) don't have to test to the same standards. A statement not based on fact. In addition the Slot1 card also holds the cache ram, an additional source of heat you forgot to mention. AMD investors are entitled to the rest of the story, so they can understand AMD's competative position. They aren't going to hear it from you. EP