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To: joseffy who wrote (55859)	9/15/2012 11:41:37 AM
From: calgal	Respond to of 71588

It gets old! I can watch good reruns on cable, but not political reruns of a failed presidency.

To: joseffy who wrote (55859)	9/16/2012 9:27:07 PM
From: greatplains_guy	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71588

The White House finds a root cause of anti-American violence. Updated September 16, 2012, 7:52 p.m. ET.The Video Did It The Obama Administration dispatched Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice to the talk shows Sunday to explain the outbreak of anti-American protests in the Arab world. Her message: It's all the fault of that 13-minute anti-Islamic video on YouTube. U.S. policies or foreign terrorists have little or nothing to do with it. "What sparked the recent violence was the airing on the Internet of a very hateful, very offensive video that has offended many people around the world," said Ms. Rice, a leading candidate to be Secretary of State in a second Obama term, on "Fox News Sunday." While there is no excuse for violence, she added, "as we've seen in the past with things like 'Satanic Verses,' with the cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad, there have been such things that have sparked outrage and anger, and this has been the proximate cause of what we've seen last week." This followed White House spokesman Jay Carney's remarks last week that the violent protests were a "response not to United States policy, not to, obviously, the administration, not to the American people" but were "in response to a video, a film, that we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting." Mr. Carney all but asked Google to pull the video from its YouTube subsidiary website as inconsistent with its "terms of use," as if an anti-American attack should result in American self-censorship. Google appropriately refused. Ms. Rice did concede on ABC's "This Week" that the deadly attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya might have been the work of "individual clusters of extremists," but she added that it had begun merely as a spontaneous protest against the video. That doesn't square with the view of Libyan officials, who say they believe the attack was the work of Islamists linked to al Qaeda. Peaceful protesters don't typically carry rocket-propelled grenades and other heavy weapons to a demonstration. The fact that the attack happened on the anniversary of September 11 also suggests terrorist planning. Ms. Rice's the-video-did-it explanation is no doubt intended to shield Obama Administration policies from any domestic political blame for the attacks. But far worse is the message it sends to adversaries and even friendly governments abroad: Overrun sovereign U.S. territory, even kill U.S. diplomats, and the first reaction of the American government will be to blame Americans for somehow provoking the violence. Ms. Rice's reference to the 1988 novel "The Satanic Verses" is especially unfortunate since Iran issued a fatwa urging the murder of author Salman Rushdie. Ms. Rice is suggesting that what matters is whether Muslims take offense against some Western statement or work, regardless of its value as art or free-expression. We wonder how Mr. Rushdie feels about having his work linked to the trashy and insulting video "Innocence of Muslims" as a provocation for violence. It's one thing for the U.S. government to say it isn't responsible for and disapproves of an anti-Islamic video. But it's another to say the video is the reason for anti-American violence. Eleven years after 9/11 and 33 years after the Iranian revolution, it should be obvious that there is no end to the insults that Islamic radicals can imagine or cite as an excuse to foment anti-American, anti-Western protests and violence. The far greater provocation to violence is the appearance of U.S. weakness. What should really concern the White House is how slow and parsimonious were the denunciations of anti-American violence in Egypt, Tunisia, Sudan, Yemen and most of the rest of the Middle East. The Administration's feeble response in the last week only invites radicals to use more such excuses to kill more Americans. online.wsj.com

To: joseffy who wrote (55859)	9/17/2012 1:09:01 AM
From: RMF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71588

jossefy....it's folks like YOU that are "mind-numbed". How many posts do you put up a day/year, and what do you get out of it exactly? And you say I'm a "lefty" but I'm not a lefty, I'm just a guy in the center that wants things to work out. I don't post much on these threads cause everybody that does seems to be way way on the right or way way on the left. I DESPISE deficits and I know they will kill the country. Peter will tell you I was saying the same thing years ago. That doesn't mean I want to kill all social programs though. If you can't get along with ME, then who the heck CAN you get along with, cause I'm pretty easy to get along with.