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Politics : President Barack Obama -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: tejek who wrote (120897)	9/17/2012 10:57:23 AM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

Good, decent Muslims are not condoning what happened in Libya. In fact, Libyans have been demonstrating against the action and apologizing to this country for what has happened. There are religious extremists in every country and in every religion........and that includes the good ole US of A. Seems pretty widespread to me, as evidenced by the map below. The bottom line is many Muslims in these countries simply don't believe in Freedom of Speech. They believe in an intolerant view of Islam, which condones violence and murder in response to perceived insults. Was that movie tasteless? Most assuredly. Was Bill Maher's "Religulous" also tasteless in its making fun of Christianity? Most assuredly. But the reaction of Muslims to the recent trailers on Google versus the reaction of Christians in the US against "Religulous" is a very telling difference between our cultures. We condone violence unambiguously and when it occurs, we prosecute and put people in jail. In Muslim countries, you may get a few jawboning apologists, but you don't get any real mass condemnation of violence and murder and you don't get any real jail sentences. theatlantic.com

To: tejek who wrote (120897)	9/17/2012 11:46:10 AM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 149317

Obama's Foreign-Policy Denial Problem Did US policy or anti-Muslim film spark Mideast... The Obama administration is doubling down on its theory that the attack a week ago on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was a "spontaneous" act, despite the Libyan president calling that idea "preposterous."The sharply divergent views on what led to the deadly strike in eastern Libya played out across the airwaves Sunday and are sure to generate more questions this week. In two interviews over the weekend, Libyan President Mohammed el-Megarif joined other members of his government in declaring the attack a planned assault, possibly by an Al Qaeda-tied group."The idea that this criminal and cowardly act was a spontaneous protest that just spun out of control is completely unfounded and preposterous," Megarif told NPR. But U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, in a string of interviews, stood by the administration's position that the Libya attack was just part of the wave of protests over the anti-Islam video circulating on the Internet. Rice is as full of crap as are Hillary Clinton and Obama himself. Let's face a few facts, shall we? First, this "anti-Islam video" was out for a couple of months before anything happened. Second, if you think *that* is offensive to Islam you need to look up what Ann Barnhardt put up *a year ago* in which she laced a Koran with *bacon bookmarks* and then tore pages, after reading them, burning them in a glass crucible. Offensive? Uh huh. And protected First Amendment speech. So where were the riots and Embassy sackings? Absent, that's where. Strike One. Second, "mindless enraged mobs" don't magically appear in various places all over the Middle East (and elsewhere) *armed with RPGs and heavy machine guns, along with considerable evidence of planning, logistics (50 pickups full of armed militia-men anyone?), command and control. That happens when a coordinated military action takes place.* By definition a mob is, well, mindless. That's why they're so dangerous and why a riot -- a real one -- is something you never want to experience. Unlike a military operation that has an objective, a plan and the means to carry it out (like the assault on our base in southern Afghanistan over the weekend) a rioting mob loots, burns and assaults anything in its path. It is a mindless violent force that pays no attention to anything other than whether what is in front of it is a good outlet for its rage. It is utterly indiscriminate and exhibits no evidence of planning, command or control. Strike Two. Finally, the fact that this was coupled with an attack in Afghanistan *and continues to this day* with additional attacks, all exhibiting command, control and intelligence and you have all the hallmarks of a coordinated, pre-planned military operation that our Administration is now seeking to find a pretext for that doesn't involve admitting they screwed out. Three Strikes and you're out Obama. Romney got this one right, as have those of us who have called this incident a military terrorist incursion into United States territory, targeting both property and person. It was an invasion, albeit a limited one, and a military action. Add those two together and you get what this was: An Act of War undertaken as a direct and proximate result of this Administration's willful and intentional malfeasance and misfeasance in foreign affairs. *Obama, you did build this and now you own it.*

To: tejek who wrote (120897)	9/17/2012 11:54:12 AM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

Salmun Rushdie, who has far more credibility than you on these issues, says it best and doesn't bother being an apologist like you for a religion that has gone terribly wrong: It is the "mindset of the fanatic, mindset of the tyrant" to respond to an insult to one's religion with violence, Rushdie told host Steve Inskeep. "To murder people who had nothing to do with it," he added, is a "deeply uncivilized attitude.""Something has gone wrong inside the Muslim world," Rushdie continued. Just a few decades ago, he said, major cities in the Arab and Muslim world were outward-looking. But "in the last half century, these cultures seem to have slid backwards into medievalism and represssion. ... It is one of the great self-inflicted wounds." npr.org