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To: pcstel who wrote (125590)	10/29/2012 8:19:16 AM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

<<Look, these people make a personal decision on how they view success, no problem. Just don't ask those who do not share their viewpoints to subsidize their personal choices.>> No one is asking anyone to subsidize their personal choices. Ironically, I think if you did some research you would find liberals, like me, use welfare much less than conservatives do. Like those in southern states. What you are failing to understand, is that you live in a society and you have a responsibility to your society. The society that protects you. We must work together as a society and our societies priorities trump individual desires. A society is measured by how it treats those in the srping of life, winter of life, and those who live in the shadows of life. Hubert Humphrey. Society says public schools are needed for a healthy society, therefore you must pay taxes for public schools even if you home school your kids; and even if you don't like it. And personally, I don't approve of anyone having more kids than they can afford to put through college. The planet is over populated as it is. I hear this right wing whining all the time about makers and takers and it drives me nuts it is so simplistic, insensitive and greedy. E.g. research has shown, that for every dollar society spends on head start it gets beack $60 to $300 in increased productivity and lower crime. We should have free educsation for everyone and universal health care. It is what is in the best interest of society. PS as an ex teacher, my friends and I have discussed, how when we get home schooled kids in our classes, they are usually behind. Not to mention their lack of proper socialization. No man is an island!

To: pcstel who wrote (125590)	10/29/2012 9:06:10 AM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 149317

The problem we have today has got to do with the wall. As a country, we are on a path where we are no longer the leader. More later. But before I go, let me ask you if, when you see a piece of merchandise lying on the floor in a grocery store, do you walk past it or do you pick it up and put it on the shelf where it should be. If you decide that you do not want something, do you walk back to the shelf you took it from or do you place it on the nearest shelf and walk away. When you are the last person to leave a room in your house, do you turn off the lights? In your office, do you make the effort to turn off the light in a meeting room that is not occupied. Better still, if you are running a meeting, do you erase the chalkboard after the meeting? The reason I asked these questions is because I see a great change in America today than when I immigrated here in the mid 70's. and that is what is wrong with America. They have lost their collective will to excel. Instead of striving to sustain a country of success, a powerful few is now aspiring to create islands of success. Or else why would you in your case of giving that worker more money than he makes, or the lady advancing her water logic fail to see the larger picture and feel comfortable within the narrow confines of your "own" world.