To: SiouxPal who wrote (143870 ) 10/29/2012 7:46:32 PM From: Doren 4 Recommendations Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 213177 > Forstall - Browett Well this is pretty interesting. My first reactions after years of following Apple and a little reading up: Ive is more of a quiet thinker. He's not the type to push things. So I'm guessing he was steam rolled more than once. He and his people are really the keystone of Apple. Without good design, and usabilty what is Apple? On the other hand Ive may not have much of a heavy hand. I suspect the design division at Apple is sort of in two parts, the visionary creative guys directly under Ive and a larger group that works out the nuts and bolts. The guys under Ive are probably like him and don't need pushing, the larger group is probably more heterogeneous. Forestall is a pusher. That can be a good thing. But there are a lot of people who don't respond to his kind of pressure. I'm one of them. I push myself, I don't need to be constantly poked in the back it screws me up, but some people do respond to it. So I can see why they kept him on for a year. I think Ive is that way too, doesn't respond to pokes in the back, but Ive's stuff has been better. Forestall's is so so. Forestall is an engineering guy who thinks designers are babies. In addition I think Apple has perhaps realized that without OSX and pro machines... things are going to deteriorate? The thing I thought was great about Jobs is he USED to be like Forestall, but because of his unusual experience, and his personal interest in both design and engineering, he learned WHERE and WHO would respond to pokes in the back and who wouldn't. Jobs understood designers, Forestall doesn't. I think Jobs understood and liked Ive a lot... and more or less left him and his team alone. I think Cook might have learned from Jobs. Lets hope so. This is sort of Cooks way of poking people in the back. John Browett - if he's not working out better to rip the bandage off quickly. I wonder if the type of experience I had with Apple's store in the Fashion Valley Mall has anything to do with it? I can understand why Apple would want to have stores in malls, exposure and sales. On the other hand lugging a giant iMac a half a mile to a store that was incorrectly placed on google maps is both bunk and a terrible advertisement for Apple products, particularly as I had to lug the thing past a Microsoft store. My next post is a question about that. Eddy Cueen.wikinoticia.com He seems like a competent guy. Probably will be getting projects from Mansfield to execute. Craig Federighi - ??? Bob Mansfield - interesting - he seems to be very good at his job - squishing a lot of power into very small spaces. Probably working pretty closely with Ive. They must place a lot of importance in his new group which seems to be somewhat of a visionary section of Apple. Place your bets. The horses are lining up at the gates.