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To: LindyBill who wrote (524451)	11/25/2012 8:38:05 AM
From: quehubo	Respond to of 794009

This is the level of health care we will have soon enough , especially for medicare. Death panels may make life and death decisions, but the real impact will be the bottleneck to services. Reduce the quantity of service providers available and like magic you reduce costs.

To: LindyBill who wrote (524451)	11/25/2012 11:44:56 AM
From: skinowski	2 Recommendations Respond to of 794009

Socialized medicine works. It just doesn't work very well. When valuable goods or services are given out for free, the demand will sharply increase. Long waits and rationing become "normal" ways of matching the increasing demand with existing resources. Also, connections are likely to become very important. It's no longer How much you pay, but Who you know (and maybe How much you pay to that person under the table). Socialism and corruption?? Yep, always, like horse and carriage. Like chicken and egg.

To: LindyBill who wrote (524451)	11/25/2012 2:04:20 PM
From: Maurice Winn	2 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 794009

The good thing about socialized medical treatment is that it punishes people like this one - teaching them that money is something to be respected. His permanent limp will act as a permanent reminder than money doesn't grown on trees and should be respected: < The 21-year-old expressed concern that he would be unable to make a full recovery from his injury. "Perhaps I will never be able to walk again. then I think about the sports. That I will never be able to play football or inner-bandy," he said to SVT. "It is awful that this type of thing has to happen just to save money." > "Just to save money" ... as though saving money doesn't matter. He wants to do some useless thing such as "inner-bandy" whatever that is, instead of working to save money. He wants to not save money. He wants to dispose of other people's lives but keep his for playing inner-bandy himself. The other people who he thinks should be his slaves paid him back by leaving him permanently crippled. That seems a reasonable trade. Slaves don't like having masters. Instead of playing inner-bandy he could learn how to and do ankle surgery on his inner-bandy friends. Mqurice

To: LindyBill who wrote (524451)	11/25/2012 3:59:31 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 794009

Having just gone through a fairly significant procedure (double knee replacements), I can tell you that my experience was exceedingly good, in contrast to what those poor Swedes suffered. However, it must be remembered that in no way do a few discrete examples tell anywhere near the whole story. Bad medicine occurs here, too, every day. And it doesn't matter if you are a Medicaid patient or have a top of the line private health insurance policy. Plus, the examples did not involve elective procedures but emergencies. I studied my elective procedure minutely, researched the facility, physician, even the physical therapists, etc., in excruciating detail. I knew the brand of implant, details of the procedures, anasthesia, and had a debate with MD about which procedure was best (there were a couple of choices, I wanted to make sure I got the best). The choice was difficult, but resolved when the question I asked him was this: "if I were your mother, which one would you do?" In short, there was a lot of control over what happened, which does not usually happen in an emergency. Have gotten terrific therapy, both as inpatient and at home. Home PT is ( ironically) upset with me because I am way ahead of goals and he saw a double TKR as generating nice fees. He doesn't think he'll be working as much on me as he does on other double TKRs. Couldn't be more pleased with result so far. I don't think I could have gotten better treatment anywhere on the planet. This of course has to be paid for. This is the first time I've used the medical system in a major way in my life. My health premiums throughout my life probably have a net present value of $300k - been paying in for 40 or so years without major claims. I suspect the total tab will be 200k or so. Quite pleased with our system. That it has problems is obvious, but my experience couldn't have been better.