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To: JohnM who wrote (211727)12/15/2012 8:39:51 PM
From: JohnM  Respond to of 541114
 
Makes sense.
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TPM Editor’s Blog
Not Protection
Josh Marshall
December 15, 2012, 8:19 PM

Most of us are aware of studies that show that having a firearm in the home increases rather than decreases your chance of violent injury or death — usually through accidents or suicide. I was not aware of this peer-reviewed 2009 study by the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine study which concluded that people in possession of a gun were 4.5 times more likely to be shot during an assault than those who didn’t have a firearm.

In the words of the study: “On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.”

This last part isn’t a rhetorical question. I’m curious to know the real answer. There have been a number of ‘studies’ I’ve seen purporting to substantiate the claim that widespread gun ownership will actually reduce violence. But the ones I’ve seen either come from disgraced amateurs or think tank hacks with zero peer review. Are there any methodologically sound, peer-reviewed studies which show anything like this? Again, serious question.

None peer-reviewed studies can still be good — it’s just hard for non-specialists to know if they’re sound. So set aside the peer-review qualification. Are there any studies along these lines from people with any real background in social science or applicable fields of study. In other words, anybody from the reality-based world making this argument?



To: JohnM who wrote (211727)12/15/2012 10:15:04 PM
From: Mary Cluney1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541114
 
<<<I'm afraid it's become the "sophisticated" response. >>>

The reality will be totally different. The SC is going to throw the NRA under the bus. Roberts may be a RW'er but he is no fool. He has a legacy to worry about. He is not going to go down on the wrong side of history.

Scalia will go down in history as a buffoon. We will never get another justice on the SC equating homosexuality to murder.

Times are changing - fast.