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To: Solon who wrote (34052)3/9/2013 4:12:23 PM
From: average joe  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 69300
 
Greg Almighty explains his shaky grammar.

To: Lane3 who wrote (10119) 3/30/2001 4:03:48 PM
From: Greg or e Read Replies (2) of 82466
Scary is in the eye of the beholder to a certain extent. Tolerance has also taken on a new meaning, tolerance used to mean that everyone was entitled to hold their own beliefs, even though you might disagree with them. now it has somehow come to mean that we must embrace and even celebrate the practices and beliefs of others even when they are diametrically opposed to our own. Homosexual practices are just one example of this, although the to me the real battleground today is going to be fought over the issue of Pedophilia. today's pervert, is tomorrow's upstanding citizen. Frankly I think people who are truly intolerant of others in an evil way don't need to be exposed they manifest their hatred for all to see. People who stand around with signs that say "God hates Fags" hardly need to come with warning labels. It must be said however that hatred is not limited to the heterosexual population. Pendulums of hatred swing to both extremes. What bothers me is that we seem to be in a situation where we have eliminated any standard by which to judge any action to be "wrong". We are going to continue reaping the rewards of that kind of thinking. The USA is not immune to the Judgement of God, but I prefer to leave that judgement in His hands. All Laws are the legislation of some moral principal, but we have climbed out on a limb and proceeded to saw off the branch we're sitting on.

PS No reason for not capitalizing the word bible some times I do, sometimes I don't. Should I? My rules of grammar are shaky since I got stoned and missed most of the seventies, at least that's what I was told. :0)

Greg



To: Solon who wrote (34052)3/9/2013 6:41:07 PM
From: 2MAR$1 Recommendation  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 69300
 
We have seen already the ignorance maintained & the antipathy of a hysterical fringe's attempt (like brumar) to substitute this rejection of the universally accepted truth of Evolution (by most reasonable thinking & educated humans ) which has this perverse inverse proportion to a validation or proof of their own faith. We see the same addiction brumar has to reposting the latest theological tempest of what is more a joke between physicists but rightly some philosophers could fret that their material tenure could feel threatened.

One would easily see far greater than anything Krauss has stirred up with "something from nothing" ideas, would be all the studies now done in the field of cognizant sciences. Which as far as we know hasn't found the holy spirit hiding somewhere between the synapses any more than we found Yahveh writing his name in the atoms & molecules.

What one does note is that there's a certain fringe that feels this desperate need to couch everything as black & white creating tempests , as opposed to what the majority of even believers & knowledgable scientists such as Francis Collins seeing quite probably an emergent complexity arising built upon earlier structures all well within the frame of materialist science.

*One does note there is a core relationship between faith & addiction as we see by brumars need for daily multiple postings & demon constructions very similar to greg.



To: Solon who wrote (34052)3/10/2013 4:29:45 AM
From: Greg or e  Respond to of 69300
 
‘What all this goes to show is that nonsense remains nonsense, even when talked by world-famous scientists.’ (p. 32)John Lennox

Yes we know you think it's flippant to point out that the Emperor has no clothes, but he's buck naked anyway. LOL!

Is Philosophy Dead?
Posted on September 29, 2010

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Doddering old academics in philosophy departments all over the world may very well be preparing to pack the contents of their offices into cardboard boxes now that Professor Stephen Hawking has told us, in his latest book, that ‘philosophy is dead’.

Yet such nonsensical arguments as those offered by Hawking highlight why we are so desperately in need of sound philosophical thought, far better than any apologia for philosophical study could. Take the following example in the Professor’s own words: ‘Because there is a law such as gravity, the Universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the Universe exists, why we exist’. The observant reader may have thought the present writer guilty of a typing error when he read the assertion that ‘the Universe will create itself from nothing’, but those are Hawking’s very words. This is, of course, simply a stream of words which signifies nothing. Precisely because there is nothing, as the esteemed Professor points out, there is no ‘it’ to create itself. For something to create itself, whether from nothing or from pre-existing matter, is a meaningless juxtaposition of words, because it holds that something can exist prior to its own existence in order to cause itself to come into existence. Moreover, how could there be such a thing as the law of gravity, when there was nothing?

Among Professor Hawking’s other howlers are his bizarre assertion that ‘the multiverse concept can explain the fine tuning of physical law without the need for a benevolent creator who made the Universe for our benefit’. The ‘multiverse concept’, for the uninitiated, is better known in popular parlance as the idea of ‘parallel universes’. In other words, some opine that there exist, outside of our own Universe, a very large number of other possible universes, with divers characteristics. All possible universes considered, it is argued, it is not surprising that one of them —ours — has the capacity for sustaining life. Why is this bizarre? Hawking claims that ‘[it] is not necessary to invoke God’ to explain the origins of the Universe, yet he seems to see no contradiction in invoking the arguably ludicrous idea of multiple universes. As G. K. Chesterton famously said, ‘When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing — they believe in anything’.

It is with some amusement then, that we observe the contradiction of prominent members of the modern scientific establishment sneering at the faith of religious believers as a mindless superstition, while one who has been described by ABC News as ‘the smartest man in the world’ is able to say, apparently without joking, that the concept of multiple hypothetical universes, none of which has ever been demonstrated to exist, and indeed for the existence of which there is not the slightest shred of empirical evidence, simply explains everything we need to know. Who is really the believer in foolish fables, we might legitimately ask?

That Hawking has not been laughed out of Cambridge demonstrates exactly why we need good philosophy, because philosophy has traditionally played the role, amongst others, of a watchman, making sure that the assertions of the other sciences accord with reason. We ought rather to hope that philosophy is not dead, because clear thinking is the only thing that will help us, and Professor Hawking, out of the mess we are in.