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To: koan who wrote (40020)	3/16/2013 10:50:23 PM
From: TopCat	2 Recommendations Respond to of 85487

"Being a surgeon is no different than being a Nascar mechanic." So you wouldn't mind if a mechanic performed heart surgery on you?

To: koan who wrote (40020)	3/16/2013 11:19:16 PM
From: CF Rebel	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

And it was not the business people who invented democracy. It was the liberal philosophers! Yes, invented as a stab-in-the-dark - as an attempt to improve social functioning through politics. Problem is, the next two eons proved democracy's imperfections to be wide-ranging and intractable. One cannot fault "liberal philosophers" for trying to improve life. But when faced with the empirical failings of democracy since then, only fools cling to their romantic notions of such a system. It was the United States' founding fathers who knew very well the histories of failed political systems and tried, for the first time in humanity's history, a system by which power would be vested in individuals rather than the government. The republic they created is now under an assault from the inside by fools elected by fools. The founders were humble enough to admit that the republic they created would likely find itself under such assault at some point. The Second Amendment was their answer to this assault. "Democracy" is best characterized as political fool's gold. None other than H.L. Mencken foresaw political hack Obama: As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. H.L. Mencken, “Bayard vs. Lionheart,” Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920. A pure democracy can admit no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will be felt by a majority, and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party. Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. James Madison, Federalist Paper #10. The evils we experience flow from the excess of democracy. The people do not want virtue, but are the dupes of pretended patriots. Elbridge Gerry, Constitutional Convention, Monday May 31 [FN1], 1787 CF Rebel

To: koan who wrote (40020)	3/17/2013 10:45:26 AM
From: Brumar89	5 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 85487

Now you're putting Carson down ... he isn't so smart ... he's just like a mechanic. Dude, for that matter, I think mechanics are smarter than you. Being a surgeon is no different than being a Nascar mechanic. And it was not the business people who invented democracy. It was the liberal philosophers. Actually, business people had more to do with it. Certainly, here in America, our founding fathers were mostly business people and not liberal philosophers. And what liberal philosophers (Locke, Plato, Aristotle?) are you thinking of and how do you know they were liberal?