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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (708109)

4/10/2013 8:52:27 AM

From: SilentZ

1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1570734

CJ, you're getting desperate. Comparing voter fraud to dragons and unicorns?

It's pretty close to as rare. The Bush administration spent tens of millions of dollars over five years trying to find cases of voter fraud. Over the course of five years, there were probably 300-500 million votes cast in this country.

Excluding a few dozen people who were involved in vote-rigging schemes for races like local sheriff, they found about 30 cases of actual voter fraud, mostly by people who voted twice. Nothing to do with ACORN, or mass voter registration drives. Likely just people who took advantage of the fact that they were on multiple rolls because they'd moved and not informed their own state. 30 out of 300 million. That's one case in every million. One in a million!

The picture being painted is of hundreds of thousands of people being registered en masse and being bused to the polls to vote fraudulently, often over and over. That should be incredibly easy to prove, and the offenders so easy to catch. But we haven't found one case of anything like that. Not one.

This isn't trying to prove a negative. It's proving a positive. It's asking to show that there's any evidence at all for something before using techniques that, in a best case scenario, will accidentally keep hundreds of thousands of people from exercising their most important right as citizens of a democracy. But we're talking more than hundreds of thousands here, and it's no accident.

Five years and tens of millions of dollars (I think I'm being very conservative on this estimate), and you get one a million.

Give me something more. There's gotta be something. A few people independently writing Mickey Mouse on voter registration forms to make an extra ten dollars is not something. It won't generate one fraudulent vote.

Work with me here. I'm serious. I'm pretty sure that if this were happening, I could prove it with a few links. But I can't.

-Z

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (708109)	4/10/2013 11:19:42 AM
From: combjelly	1 Recommendation Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1570734

Can you prove they don't exist? I cannot. But neither can I prove they do exist. I can point to some sightings, but... Same with inperson voter fraud. There are stories of it being widespread but there is no proof. There have been a small handfull, like a dozen over the span of years and hundreds of elections and even then I don't thinks there was a single attempt of someone using a falsified registration to vote. If it was as pervasive as the Right wants to claim, lots of people would be involved over the years. And someone would have talked. They haven't. OTOH, it ignores absentee voter fraud which has very much been proven to be a problem and is becoming serious one in Florida. So your bottom line is we need to focus on a problem no one can show exists, spending millions of dollars and risking disenfranchising large numbers 9f voters and ignoring a problem that has been proven to not only exist but is a growing threat? Why?