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To: Gurupup who wrote (6876)12/4/1997 11:26:00 PM
From: Jack Zahran  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 31646
 
Here here! In addition, by requirement of the PP the buyers have agreed not to sell the security right away. It is an investment.



To: Gurupup who wrote (6876)12/5/1997 1:04:00 AM
From: Wildman262  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 31646
 
I agree with Skipard. The PP was needed. TPRO needed the money to ramp up. You can analyze it up and down. Frankly, I don't care if the shares get dumped into the market. I don't think they will, but if they do, it is not a big deal. There were less than a million shares and that would get swallowed up in no time.

If you are a long term player, it does not matter. If you are a trader, than I agree these "small" details are significant. I am holding this baby for the long term. I have plenty of patience to let the story unfold. Big money can be made by getting ahead of the crowd. If you think TPRO will pull this off, who gives a rats ass about the PP. I have started a position and plan on accumulating. Good luck to all.



To: Gurupup who wrote (6876)12/5/1997 1:29:00 AM
From: Gerald L. Kerr  Respond to of 31646
 
Excerpts From the Year 2000 Newsletter on Embedded Systems Reporting on the Recent Dallas Conference.

Presenter: Ron Quiggins
Company: Shell Services

As noted in Part 1 of the coverage of this conference, Mr.
Quiggins is the founder of the Year 2000 Energy Industry
Group, in which representatives of 15 oil & gas companies
(including 7 of the "majors") meet every six weeks for the
exchange of information and the sharing of learning related
to dealing with Year 2000 problems in the oils and gas
industry environment. I've combined some of the comments
from Mr. Quiggins' Q&A session with the report on his
presentation below.

Mr. Quiggins estimated that the costs to the US energy
industry of achieving Year 2000 compliance would total around
3 billion dollars. The scope of the Year 2000 problem as it
applies to his industry was defined by dividing it into
three categories:

The "IT Domain" part of the Year 2000 problem consists of
addressing Year 2000 concerns related to in-house software
applications, infrastructure, telecommunications, 3rd party
software packages, interfaces and end user applications.

The "Commercial Integrity" part of the Year 2000 problem
consists of addressing Year 2000 concerns related to working
with suppliers, customers, joint venture partners, public
affairs and legal.

The problem of maintaining commercial integrity of your
business is a very difficult one, because the Year 2000
problem hits all businesses at the same time, and most
companies have business processes that involve many external
players. If external companies critical to your business
have prolonged Y2K problems or go out of business, then your
own company is at risk.

The "Asset Integrity" part of the Year 2000 problem consists
of addressing Year 2000 concerns related to physical systems
such as platforms, pipelines, plants, refineries, building
management, process control, SCADA/CAO, and instrumentation.

The goal of asset integrity is to ensure that production
facilities will continue to produce safely and without
detriment to the environment. Production capability should
not be interrupted during the millennium change.

Embedded systems pose special challenges because there is no
proven methodology for addressing these systems, impact
assessment is very difficult, and many devices are remotely
located. The testing of embedded systems can be extremely
difficult, and Mr. Quiggins discussed a model that considers
the risk of business impacts due to system failure. If some
systems fail, they may have only a minor effect on a business,
so it does not make sense to spend a lot of time and money
extensively testing these systems. Other systems may be
critical to safety or business operations, so more focus
should be put on the testing of these systems.

Mr. Quiggins described the structure of automation systems as
forming a four tiered pyramid:

Top tier: Business Level Systems

Second tier: SCADA/Computer Assisted Operations (CAO)/
Distributed Control Systems (DCS)

Third tier: RTU/PLC/PCs

Fourth tier: Instrumentation

Vendors that support the top tiers tend to be larger
companies that want long term relationships and will be
pro-active with their customers. Systems at the upper
tiers tend to be more complex and expensive. Vendors at
the lower tiers are sometimes small companies with high
risks and may be reluctant to fix problems. However, it
was noted that while PLC vendors have been quite forthright
in talking about their problems, the big DCS vendors have
not been so forthcoming, which is a real problem.

Examples of possible failure scenarios include:

PLCs "locking up" due to a year field overflowing.

Historical log function in a SCADA system providing
corrupted entries around mid-night, log record terminated.

Fiscal metering system for a gas pipeline that will not work into the next century.

Sewage outflow controller found to misinterpret the
tide-table beyond 12/31/99

500 MW Electrical Generator Date advanced to 12/31/99 for
a test. 20 seconds after 2000, temperature of stator
cooling water read high - failed safe.

What are the alternative actions a company can take to deal
with these problems:

1. Do nothing and keep running: this is totally
unpredictable, and leads to the possibility of a operation
shutdown or major catastrophe.

2. Do nothing except plan a shut-down at the end of 12/31/99:
this is also totally unpredictable, and could lead to
restart difficulties and health, safety and environment
compromises.

3. Delay action until more is known about the problem: this
is a tradeoff on value of more knowledge versus less time and
resources. Consequences range from temporary unplanned
shutdown to prolonged shutdown.

4. Begin action now to initiate remedial engineering program:
this approach has a good chance of reducing the problem to
manageable proportions. Consequences range from operational
inconvenience to temporary shutdown.

Mr. Quiggins noted that while the cost of addressing these
problems now may be high, the cost of failure will likely be
much higher.



To: Gurupup who wrote (6876)12/5/1997 8:15:00 AM
From: JDN  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 31646
 
Dear Skipard: The seven of the Apostles sounds fine to me. JDN



To: Gurupup who wrote (6876)12/5/1997 4:29:00 PM
From: eleebee  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 31646
 
Skippard,
You are right in that the PP is over and done with. I would you
rather have chewed out Tim. I was just asking a question regarding
his post. I'm sorry I offended you-- no more PP posts from me.
Mark