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To: koan who wrote (41986)4/25/2013 11:43:00 AM
From: longnshort3 Recommendations  Respond to of 85487
 
"Do you like all the pedophiles in the Catholic schools and the religious indoctrination?"

you are a 100 times more likely to be molested in a public school

since has me on ignore could someone straighten him out on this

Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests
BY LIFESITENEWS.COM

Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:15 ESTComments

By James Tillman and John Jalsevac

WASHINGTON, DC, April 1, 2010 ( LifeSiteNews.com) – In the last several weeks such a quantity of ink has been spilled in newspapers across the globe about the priestly sex abuse scandals, that a casual reader might be forgiven for thinking that Catholic priests are the worst and most common perpetrators of child sex abuse.

But according to Charol Shakeshaft, the researcher of a little-remembered 2004 study prepared for the U.S. Department of Education, "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

After effectively disappearing from the radar, Shakeshaft’s study is now being revisited by commentators seeking to restore a sense of proportion to the mainstream coverage of the Church scandal.

According to the 2004 study “the most accurate data available at this time” indicates that “nearly 9.6 percent of students are targets of educator sexual misconduct sometime during their school career.”

“Educator sexual misconduct is woefully under-studied,” writes the researcher. “We have scant data on incidence and even less on descriptions of predators and targets. There are many questions that call for answers.”

In an article published on Monday, renowned Catholic commentator George Weigel referred to the Shakeshaft study, and observed that “The sexual and physical abuse of children and young people is a global plague” in which Catholic priests constitute only a small minority of perpetrators.

While Weigel observes that the findings of Shakeshaft’s study do nothing to mitigate the harm caused by priestly abuse, or excuse the “clericalism” and “fideism” that led bishops to ignore the problem, they do point to a gross imbalance in the level of scrutiny given to it, throwing suspicion on the motives of the news outlets that are pouring their resources into digging up decades-old dirt on the Church.

“The narrative that has been constructed is often less about the protection of the young (for whom the Catholic Church is, by empirical measure, the safest environment for young people in America today) than it is about taking the Church down," he writes.

Weigel observes that priestly sex abuse is “a phenomenon that spiked between the mid-1960s and the mid-1980s but seems to have virtually disappeared,” and that in recent years the Church has gone to great lengths to punish and remove priestly predators and to protect children. The result of these measures is that “six credible cases of clerical sexual abuse in 2009 were reported in the U.S. bishops’ annual audit, in a Church of some 65,000,000 members.”

Despite these facts, however, “the sexual abuse story in the global media is almost entirely a Catholic story, in which the Catholic Church is portrayed as the epicenter of the sexual abuse of the young.”

Outside of the Church, Shakeshaft is not alone in highlighting the largely unaddressed, and unpublicized problem of child sex abuse in schools. Sherryll Kraizer, executive director of the Denver-based Safe Child Program, told the Colorado Gazette in 2008 that school employees commonly ignore laws meant to prevent the sexual abuse of children.

“I see it regularly,” Kraizer said. “There are laws against failing to report, but the law is almost never enforced. Almost never.”

“What typically happens is you’ll have a teacher who’s spending a little too much time in a room with one child with the door shut,” Kraizer explained. “Another teacher sees it and reports it to the principal. The principal calls the suspected teacher in and says ‘Don’t do that,’ instead of contacting child protective services.”

“Before you know it, the teacher is driving the student home. A whole series of events will unfold, known to other teachers and the principal, and nobody contacts child services before it’s out of control. You see this documented in records after it eventually ends up in court.”

In an editorial last week, The Gazette revisited the testimony of Kraizer in the context of the Church abuse scandal coverage, concluding that “the much larger crisis remains in our public schools today, where children are raped and groped every day in the United States.”

“The media and others must maintain their watchful eye on the Catholic Church and other religious institutions,” wrote The Gazette, “But it’s no less tragic when a child gets abused at school.”

In 2004, shortly after the Shakeshaft study was released, Catholic League President William Donohue, who was unavailable for an interview for this story, asked, “Where is the media in all this?”

“Isn’t it news that the number of public school students who have been abused by a school employee is more than 100 times greater than the number of minors who have been abused by priests?” he asked.

“All those reporters, columnists, talking heads, attorneys general, D.A.‘s, psychologists and victims groups who were so quick on the draw to get priests have a moral obligation to pursue this issue to the max. If they don’t, they’re a fraud.”




To: koan who wrote (41986)4/25/2013 11:59:06 AM
From: Jorj X Mckie2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 85487
 
So you think we should replace the public scools with catholic schools? Does that make sense to you?


Absolutely not. I think that a variety of non-public schools should replace the public schools. Or at the very least, those who choose to send their kids to a private school should get tax credits. The absolute best thing that could happen to public education would be to get a little competition. Public schools have failed the less advantaged student. If they know that they are going to lose their funding due to competition from private schools, maybe the teachers and the teachers unions will get off of their collective asses and start teaching the kids how to read and write.

Do you like all the pedophiles in the Catholic schools and the religious indoctrination?

The number of homosexual pedophiles in the catholic church is actually rather small. On par with the statistical norm for the population. There are certainly an equal number of pedophiles in the public school system (there have been two arrested in the past two years in the public middle school just down the street from me). The Catholic church leadership was definitely criminally negligent in the way that they responded to the homosexual pedophiles in the organization. And you will certainly find quite a few examples in the past where homosexual pedophile priests infiltrated the church and molested boys. But have you heard of any examples in recent history? The past 10 years? The past 20 years? yes, I know, there are people who came out recently, but they are for crimes that happened 30 and 40 years ago. I am not excusing what was done in the past, nor the fact that the church hierarchy protected the homosexual pedophiles in their midst, but to present this as an ongoing issue is intellectually dishonest.

It would seem that you are making an argument for keeping homosexuals away from children? Does this mean that you think that the Boyscouts shouldn't have gay scout leaders? Afterall, we need to protect the children.



To: koan who wrote (41986)4/25/2013 12:12:45 PM
From: sm1th3 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 85487
 
So you think we should replace the public scools with catholic schools? Does that make sense to you?

Do you like all the pedophiles in the Catholic schools and the religious indoctrination?

In Boston, we have in effect, 2 parallel school systems. A taxpayer funded union public system, which fails to provide a useful education to 90% of its students and a private, parent funded Catholic system which does a much better job for less money.

the religious indoctrination?
You apparently haven't been near a Catholic school in the past 20-30 years. Many students are not Catholic, and there is little religious indoctrination.



To: koan who wrote (41986)4/26/2013 8:47:55 AM
From: Brumar892 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 85487
 
Another anti-voucher Democrat, with kids in the best private school



By Jim Geraghty
April 26, 2013 8:22 AM


Also in today’s Morning Jolt:

Another Anti-Voucher Democrat, Sending His Children to the Best Private School

Surprise, surprise, the Virginia chapter of the NEA teacher’s union endorsed Terry McAuliffe for governor. Their endorsement is strangely quiet on the issue of vouchers. McAuliffe is pretty quiet on the issue of vouchers; here are his policy views on K-12 education, in their entirety, from his campaign web site:

Education is the single most important thing our kids need to build successful lives. Whether they’re going to invent a product, start a business, or get the job of their dreams, it all starts with the basic skills and confidence that only a good education can provide, and right now we’re not doing enough.

Total funding per student is down even as we’ve got more and more students entering our system. Only 87% of our kids are graduating high school on time.

As Governor, I will support our kids and our schools. We’re going to take the best ideas from around the country and give teachers and administrators the resources and freedom they need to make Virginia a global leader in education.

If this were any shorter, it would be a haiku.

He makes Elizabeth Colbert Busch’s policy-related sentence fragments look like Mandate for Leadership.

At least when he was chairman of the Democratic National Committee, McAuliffe listed “vouchers” as part of the policies that made Republicans so terrible.

From the 2009 race:

It was a bit of creative omission, reminiscent of his answer when someone at the Richmond town meeting asked where his kids – aged 17, 16, 14, 9, and 6 – go to school. He said one attends Gonzaga, a Catholic high school in Washington, and four go to the Potomac School in McLean. He didn’t mention that Potomac is a private school.

Current tuition rates for the Potomac School:

Kindergarten – Grade 3: $29,055
Grades 4-6: $31,185
Grades 7-8: $33,440*
Grades 9-12: $33,345

So Terry McAuliffe, who has had four kids going to a roughly $30,000 per student tuition private school (perhaps there’s a sibling discount), opposes the use of vouchers to send poorer kids to private schools.

nationalreview.com


The Obama children have never been inside a public school.