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To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (9718)	12/6/1997 1:52:00 PM
From: Elmer Flugum	Respond to of 39621

Robert Hall...that is a fair question. Who is a Christian?

To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (9718)	12/6/1997 3:50:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

I consider your words very disturbing to me being a Jew. A Jew goes back to the convent with Abraham and is all over the Old Testament which you so conveniently want to throw away. Do you know that Neo Nazis basically share your same theology you might think this is crazy but they as well claim to be Christians and twist wording around to prove there practices. Giving Jesus the title of Messiah points to his Messiah ship and has the Messiah spoken of in the Old Testament in mind. The word "Christ" is simply the Greek word for the word "Messiah" Giving Yeshua (Jesus) the title of the son of Abraham, points to the Jewishness of Jesus, since throughout biblical history and theology, Jewishness was always associated with the covenant God made with Abraham. (which you so conveniently what to throw away since it's base is in the Old Testament) Yeshua (Jesus) Messiah ship, and his Jewishness are dominate claims of the New Testament. Jesus is clearly portrayed as the Messiah of the Old Testament. He would be the one that the rabbis referred to as the Messiah, the son of Joseph: (John 1:45) Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. He is also portrayed as the very Messiah whom the rabbis referred to as being Messiah, the son of David: (Luke 1:31-33)" Thou shalt call his name Jesus, He shall be great, and shall be called the son of the most high: and the Lord God shall give him the throne of his father David: and he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his Kingdom there shall be no end. But more than anything else, the sufferings and death of Jesus fit the mold developed by by Isaiah 53: "He was innocent of any sin and he so suffered innocently" (AND YOU WANT TO THROW THE OLD TESTAMENT AWAY?) It fortells his death! Read Isaiah 53: Some of it as follows; Isaiah 53 Verse 4; "Surely he hath born our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God and afflicted. Isaiah 53 Verse 5: "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him: and with his stripes we are healed." (AGAIN YOU WANT TO THROW AWAY THE OLD TESTAMENT?) This was all written 700 years before his birth. Jews at present are just lacking the fulfillment of there religion the acceptance of Yeshua as there Messiah and it's people like you that have destroyed any chances of Jews taking back their Messiah to fulfill Gods true wants. I do believe in Yeshua (Jesus)and belive he died for my sins but I am in no way a Christian according to your theology that theology is textbook material of how Hitler believed and want no part of it. Satan is very deceptive and you have fallen for his trap I would think Yeshua (Jesus) is looking upon you with disgust for you have just smeared the Jewish people and their God.

To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (9718)	12/6/1997 4:29:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

You used this verse to prove there is no Jew: GALATIONS 3:28-29. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male or female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus Let me ask you a question are you a freak if you are not Male or Female what are you?. Just like you are trying to twist the Jew nor Greek content.In Timothy and other verses in the New Covenant it states that women should not teach men and have their position in the body. How can this be if there is no more male nor female. Obviously God still has an order. The man is called to love his wife as Messiah loved the Church so the Jew is also called to love their neighbor as themselves. The order of God is of pure love and does not cast out anyone, but maintains an order for salvation and to reveal Himself, His purposes and His ways.