Alan, dear Alan, I had no idea you were so full of the knowledge of
the word, both old and new.
May I ask, because I really would like to know as I was pondering your answers to Emile and Robert, who are responding only to Lee, who tends to see ALL Jewish people as totally Christ-like, pure and saved it seems, and of course, as you know, this cannot be. It just is not and cannot be as it does not reflect the known universe, any more than Jim and Tammy ever represented Jeshua.
I use Jim and Tammy only because they, like Medusa's head, refuse to die and tie up the media weekly trying to make their big comeback to the mega-income from stupid people writing them checks.
O.K. We are all in agreement as to the very first church. THERE WERE NO GENTILES AT THE TIME OF JESUS' DEATH. NO GENTILE BELIEVERS RECORDED IN THE GOSPELS.
O.K. Point 2. Only 120 are recorded to be hanging out together in absolute desolation and pain and misery on the day of "Pentacost". At that time they were slammed with the Holy
Spirit and these 120 only, the only ones recorded in the Bible, both our Holy Book, that means of the first spirit filled Jesus Freaks, there were approximately 120, and all totally Jewish.
I can see a large problem here. From the first day of Pentacost almost it is recorded that the believers began one by one to be rounded up and killed. This had been going on some time before Saul was knocked off his horse, and then he alone seemed to have the superhuman will to do the work of 1000 believers, and ended up singlehandedly converting much of pagan turkey, greece, Italy, etc., the way Patrick, the Roman, went to the horrible Celts in
Ireland. On this we must agree.
Can we also agree that of only 120 original torches of burning light that came out of the upper room where they met, that many of those 120 must have been rounded up and stoned early on?
What I'm seeing is that there probably wasn't a lot of courting and settling down and baby having and baby raising when you were running for your life on a 24 hour basis.
No wonder the Jews didn't stay with the movement very long. If they were not able to convert zillions of people in a short time before heading for other parts of the world where they could hide out and
not be rounded up, and actually preach the gospel without being killed for it, then I can see Isreal prior to ad 70 when Titus sacked it as almost void of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Alan, in all truth, do you realize that "Christianity" has virtually no
"Jewish" history that I know of after the first few recorded in
Acts either fled and probably ended up purged somewhere in
ITaly under the Caesars (and Italy was practically the whole world at that time. There was just Roman Empire, period). Anyone could have been picked up and wagon hauled to Rome for sport, actually.
I don't even know what I'm trying to say. I think it is: If you are mad because Jeshua ended up a non-Jewish event, then show me where any Jews in history tried to have anything to do with Jesus except for the first church in the book of Acts in Jerusalem.
Apparently the book of Jewish Christians after that point in time dies with Paul and Peter and everyone else in Rome.
I just am ignorant of this period of history, and its hard to find, but you seem so mad that gentile inherited Jesus, well, Alan, I'm just trying to figure out here what in the world would have happened to Christ's life and death and resurrection if left totally in Jewish
hands. It would have been utterly and completely extinct and taken out of history except for lthat tiny blurb in Josephus, about a paragraph, which I have read myselfl--even though he gave Herod chapters and chapters, by the way.
Welll, help me here. Give me an answer. I see your anger, but I also know that the nation off Isreal from 33 ad to 70 ad worked to wipe Jesus Christ's existance off the face of the Earth. And then God did not stop Titus wiping Isreal off the face of the Earth, as a nation.
Josephus records of Titus' sacking of Rome words to the effect that to his knowledge of known history no town or people suffered any such horrifying devastation as what happened under Titus. It goes off the scale of horrible.
Well, you know, there's some reality here we're just not accepting,
and I think to say that God's whole trip, I mean His entire involvement stayed with the Jews who were now virtually extinct themselves, and by that time had thoroughly purged Jesus from their memory, I'm sure, well, does such a scenario make sense to you?
Do you see what I'm saying? It is ludicrous. Why have a Jesus in the first place if He had only been born to be tortured to death at a rather early age and then completely wiped out of history. Hey,
Alan, check all of the known Jewish history of the time. I believe you will find one paragraph about Jesus. That's Josephus mentioning that he lived.
So, is there some middle ground here that makes some sense.
Your stern stance that the Jewish Messiah has been captured by infidels is perhaps true. But the Jewish Messiah was also murdered at the request of the Jewish government and then all people who continued to believe in him were stoned to death.
Am I missing something here. In my understanding of the above?
I think if people knew more about your personal experience they would understand your position a little better Alan, but of course
it's difficult.
Would you please answer my questions when you have time?
I am serious about this, and it is a hole in history I've never seen before. Satan made it nearly impossible for Jesus to stay with the Jews. That's very interesting, but I still don't understand why. |
