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To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (9751)	12/7/1997 6:06:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Robert, this is so UNREAL, this absolute conflagration burning here among people who all obviously love the Lord Jesus Christ or we would not and could not even know what to talk about here or be here, and the level of understanding is certainly out of the ordinary, BUT THE ANGELS MUST BE LOOKING AT EACH OTHER, ROLLING THEIR EYES, SHAKING THEIR HEADS AND TRYING NOT TO LAUGH! O.K.? Is it at all possible that as much as you want Alan to profess a little more love for the NEW COVENANT, that you might just be open the tiniest smiggen that maybe the OLD COVENANT with the Jews, might still exist for the JEWS WHO COME INTO A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JESHUA AS MESSIAH? Can we allow the Lord God Almighty, Who Never Changes, Who Was and Is and EVERMORE SHALL BE? Can we accept a new Covenant for NON-JEWISH followers of Jesus Christ, given to us so as NOT TO EXCLUDE US in any way or make us feel second class or like chopped liver because we love the God of Abraham without the same genetic inheritance given in the blessings to Abraham? Could it also be that the same God which gave us a brain, so obviously HIS MUST BE EVEN BETTER, not also be equipped to continue a relationship once established with Abraham. And that of that original covenant, if someone keeps that original covenant in their heart, and now has the complete blessing of coming to know that the "European Christian's Jesus"-- who actually has been falsely held prisoner in Rome for nearly 1400 of the past 2000 years-- is the Messiah of the Promise after all? Is it just not possible that the Lord would want to continue that relationship, without, as Alan says, trashing it up with the European, Chariscrazy legacies we have inherited as of 12:00 p.m. today? I HEAR ALAN, AND I AGREE WITH ALAN. I HEAR YOU AND I AGREE WITH YOU. SO WHAT I SEE IS TWO POSSIBILITIES. BOTH SEEM PERFECT, AND BOTH ARE THE SAME. but we cannot get anywhere if you and Emile maintain a firm belief that everything Jewished based in any way is of Satan because of the Rothchilds and the Illuminati. First all all, the entire over-order now is full of gentiles, anyway, and happens now to include Asians and everyone else. So we have to back off a minute and get a clearer picture here Robert. I seriously mean this. All I'm saying is are you positive God's word is not large enough to encompass both realities, knowing they would happen? I know both sets of scriptures are true. Also both sets of scriptures in Matthew 24 are true. Jesus speaks of one horrible end coming and that end was perfect for the case of Jerusalem under Titus within 40 years of Jesus speaking those words, and the other is right around the corner, the same set of horrors is ready to come down on Chicken Little, I'll tell you that. One set of horrors. Two different times they would be true. This is all getting to be such advanced theology I'm not sure I even know what I'm saying anymore. I do not believe Alan is here by accident. I believe God very much wants to use him, and I don't see how he can if he is teeming up with people who say he has to become a PTL-er type, grab a bongo and get ready for rock praise before he can be accepted. That's nuts too. Oh. If one really wants to misinterpret these very well-meaning, heart felt and honest statements made by Emile and Robert, Alan can easily interpret them to mean that for him to be in league with Christ in any way, Alan must hate being Jewish and refuse in any way to associate with the word even. Let alone friends and relatives. He must, in fact, find Jews to be evil. (I'm almost laughing outloud here.) Especially MESSIANIC JEWS, who hold Christ as their Lord and Savior. Should he also refuse to speak to other anti-Christs as he passes them on the street, or is he allowed to speak to them? I'm serious. The more I read all of these realities, the more I see they must be sorted out. Is this really making sense? Or do we have two realities that are not perfect as yet, and still need definition to become perfect? And that is not even mild understatement. I'm telling you, we owe it to our Lord Jesus Christ to clear this up totally.