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To: Alighieri who wrote (720977)	6/13/2013 11:33:38 AM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578288

>> Bush was caught doing warrantless wire tapping and going around FISA, which was in place at the time...that meant he was breaking the law in place at the time. That's not a distinction when we are talking about programs that lend themselves to potential abuse. At least Obama is following the law in place...you can argue with the invasiveness of that law, but that's a different topic of conversation. I think there was a legitimate argument about whether the law was broken. The Left howled, and the Right mostly supported it. But you seem to miss the forest for looking at the trees; the activities that were carried on under the Bush administration are carried on by the Obama administration, except the scope has expanded substantially. If you take away some false sense of security from the FISA court rubber-stamping these requests, I guess that's great for you. It is meaningless to me. When you boil it down, it is that I trusted the Bush administration without the foresight to realize that future administrations would institutionalize, permanently, the measures that he took. You, OTOH, support the institutionalization of those measures when you opposed them to begin with. I'm not sure how these positions are really significantly different.

To: Alighieri who wrote (720977)	6/13/2013 1:45:02 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1578288

Al, At least Obama is following the law in place...you can argue with the invasiveness of that law, but that's a different topic of conversation. No Al, that IS the topic of conversation. The notion that Obama is "following the law in place" is a red herring, crafted by libtards like CJ to justify their double-standard. Liberals were against the Patriot Act, period. If Bush complied with FISA, that would not have assuaged the protests from the left no matter how much you pretend otherwise. Even after Congress gave the approval in 2008, that did not change the core arguments against it from civil liberty organizations like the left-wing ACLU. A distinction without a difference. All to avoid having to look like a hypocrite. Tenchusatsu