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To: TobagoJack who wrote (101431)	6/23/2013 10:33:23 AM
From: Riskmgmt	3 Recommendations Recommended By dvdw© Maurice Winn Threshold Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 218877

Interesting comments about Snowden: Rand Paul Paul has been one of a few public officials to praise Snowden for leaking material on the National Security Agency's surveillance operations. And despite warning Snowden not to work with the Russian or Chinese governments, Paul continued on Sunday to argue that history would judge the leaks kindly. "I would say that Mr. Snowden hasn't lied to anyone," said Paul. "He did break his oath of office, but part of his oath of office is to the Constitution, and he believes that, when James Clapper came in March, our national director of intelligence came and lied, that he [Snowden] was simply coming forward and telling the truth that your government was lying. This is a big concern of mine, because it makes me doubt the administration and their word to us when they talk to us, because they have now admitted they will lie to us if they think it is in the name of national security." ttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/23/rand-paul-snowden_n_3486455.html HUFFPOST: STEVE WOZNIAK The Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak has backed NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden and admitted he feels "a little bit guilty" that new technologies had introduced new ways for governments to monitor people. "I felt about Edward Snowden the same way I felt about Daniel Ellsberg, who changed my life, who taught me a lot," he said. Asked about US surveillance programmes in an earlier interview with a Spanish technology news site, FayerWayer, Wozniak said: "All these things about the constitution, that made us so good as people – they are kind of nothing. "They are all dissolved with the Patriot Act. There are all these laws that just say 'we can secretly call anything terrorism and do anything we want, without the rights of courts to get in and say you are doing wrong things'. There's not even a free open court any more. Read the constitution. I don't know how this stuff happened. It's so clear what the constitution says." He said he had been brought up to believe that "communist Russia was so bad because they followed their people, they snooped on them, they arrested them, they put them in secret prisons, they disappeared them – these kinds of things were part of Russia. We are getting more and more like that." GUARDIAN

To: TobagoJack who wrote (101431)	6/23/2013 11:26:15 AM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 218877

Damned shame that he appears to be going to Cuba or Venezuela. This will alienate the conservative right wing in the US that believes in privacy because those two places, unlike freedom rock, are hardly bastions of civil liberties. Also undercuts his claims that his interest lies in preserving freedom. And linking up with RasPutin will also be seen as a liability. In other words, he is blowing it from a PR basis.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (101431)	6/23/2013 5:07:11 PM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu	1 Recommendation Recommended By carranza2 Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 218877

My take on the whole brouhaha on the disclosure made by Edward Snowden is more about the revelation of the shortcomings of the US intelligence community to gather information about those types that intend to hurt us, than actual the disclosure of treasonous secrets. IMHO it proved very high incompetence of gathering information by very high paid people employed by the various intelligence gathering agencies , who do not do it successfully the old and proven way with people on the field and basically relaying on gathering vast amounts of personal information which in a nutshell violates the US constitution and makes the US today more like Stalin Russia of the cold war. IMHO all those screaming “murder” do nothing more than promoting their own political careers by using a well-advertised incident which most Americans and the Western World or the world at large does not fully understand, or even ignores and this is very shameful. As to the actual damage made by those leaks IMHO they are meaningless as I can guaranty that each spy agency around the world does the same and everyone in the intelligence community knows that, and more so they know who does what and how. The problem is more of the incompetence to understand who does it and why and how they interpret it. As everything else in warfare the guys that make less mistakes and are more open minded winn. To best understand this analogy it is like the “rounded corners” patent on the IPhone which Samsung supposedly "copied" and infringed on a patent. So to all those hunting Snowden please get a life and do something meaningful and helpful to our society, after all there is so much to do and help. The amounts of money spend on “repatriating “ Edward Snowden should be put to better use, like education for those that cannot afford and make America great. As to the various elected members of congress, please find another subject that really will improve our quality of life, generate more work places and leave this chap, Edward Snowden alone after all it is a failure of the NSA and not Edward Snowden Unrelated but more to the point the untimely or ill-timed FED Chairman revelation of ending the QE inflicted substantial more damage to the US economy and security than Edward Snowden leaks and it even can be measured in $$ with the appropriate multipliers