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To: epicure who wrote (226438)	6/23/2013 12:34:51 PM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541300

A big rec for that post.....

To: epicure who wrote (226438)	6/23/2013 12:59:26 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541300

As a kid I had my new bike stolen from my back yard because my dad ripped down our fence. Our backyard opened onto an alley - so my bike was plainly visible to school kids who used that alley as a thoroughfare to poorer neighborhoods. Later my wife and I had our locked VW stolen from our carport in our apartment building - it ended up in San Gabriel 50 miles away. What do these things have in common? In both cases we had our property locked but in poorly secured areas in reasonably good neighborhoods. I actually saw the kid a couple of times around town on my bike but was never close enough to catch him. I've had stuff stolen from me many times and when I put security lights up, that pretty much stopped. The stolen car was found in front of someone's house but the police didn't arrest them. There was a shirt in the car but no DNA testing was done on it... That isn't done for car theft. Too bad. But the crooks have raised the ante with hot burglaries and forced entries... I've worked hard to get the material possessions I have - no handouts or entitlements here. I paid my taxes along the way and feel that people who don't have what I have do not any right to my stuff despite their personal view to the contrary. I admit I get very reactionary at the thoughts of some a-hole breaking into my house to take my stuff, potentially assaulting me or my family, or otherwise transgressing against me, my family or my property. Liberalism in my view is not sustainable if one of the things we allow people to do is to violate other peoples spaces and rights. If there is an implicit sociological component - too effen bad. If you don't belong in my neighborhood, stay the eff out. This is a mixed race neighborhood lest you think I've holed up in a white supremacist enclave - it is about respecting limits and not embracing entitlements for others to walk away with what took others a lifetime to acquire from nothing.

To: epicure who wrote (226438)	6/23/2013 1:15:01 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541300

It is hard to know what is right and wrong in both human behavior and designing social systems no matter how hard one tries. I admit I never could figure it out other than the basics, like trying to be as kind as possible at all times and even then one can never be sure they are even doing that right? I always wondered, what would have been the correct behavior in the south in the 1930's regarding segregation. Does one say nothing and keep the peace with one's neighbors and family. In which case they provide support and perpetuate a system terribly harming so many black people, or does one say something in defense of the Blacks in which case all of their neighbors and family get upset and the person becomes an outcast. I see injustice and poverty everywhere I go and wonder what to do?

To: epicure who wrote (226438)	6/23/2013 1:23:16 PM
From: koan	Respond to of 541300

It is hard to know what is right and wrong in both human behavior and designing social systems no matter how hard one tries. I admit I never could figure it out other than the basics, like trying to be as kind as possible at all times and even then one can never be sure they are even doing that right? I always wondered, what would have been the correct behavior in the south in the 1930's regarding segregation. Does one say nothing and keep the peace with one's neighbors and family. In which case they provide support and perpetuate a system terribly harming so many black people, or does one say something in defense of the Blacks in which case all of their neighbors and family get upset and the person becomes an outcast. I see injustice and poverty everywhere I go and wonder what to do?