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To: koan who wrote (47289)	6/30/2013 1:55:04 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

"Studies say for every dollar spend on head start society gets between $30 and $60 back in reduction in crime and increased productivity. I don't know where to find the study, but remember it well." lololol you are so full of shit.....oops i mean your posts are so full of shit

To: koan who wrote (47289)	6/30/2013 3:24:10 PM
From: sm1th	2 Recommendations Recommended By FJB TimF Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 85487

What I do believe is that it is impossible for a society to spend more on education than it will get back. Then how do you explain the statistics, provided by the Dept of Education, showing that since 1970, inflation adjusted per student spending K-12 has tripled with no improvement in results. In 1970, we got the same result for 1/3 the cost. Every single extra $ was apparently wasted.

To: koan who wrote (47289)	6/30/2013 3:25:18 PM
From: longnshort	1 Recommendation Recommended By TimF Respond to of 85487

ame BS when pelosi said we get back 2 bucks for every one buck on food stamps

To: koan who wrote (47289)	7/1/2013 1:45:25 AM
From: i-node	3 Recommendations Recommended By FJB Paul Smith TimF Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

>> What I do believe is that it is impossible for a society to spend more on education than it will get back. Coming from a proponent of education, that is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever seen. It is pretty obvious that it depends totally on HOW you spend the money. We are spending 4x the amount (maybe 5) that we were in 1965 (inflation adjusted). Has the quality of education kept pace with those expenditures? Hell, no. Not even close. If you blow the money on keeping unions happy it is not benefiting students. If you're having to build "rubber rooms", you're wasting it. In 2004, we spent nearly 500 Million on "Safe & Drug Free Schools State Grants." How's that working out? We have more kids using drugs today than ever -- and not just marijuana, but serious alcohol, opiate, and benzodiezipine addictions. Over the last 30 years we've increased expenditures for special ed more than 400%. Special ed teachers are still using techniques, in many if not most cases, that have failed for the entire 30 year period. And I see it routinely in my work; these kids are having to go outside the school system to get the tools they need. Generally because public schools are too consumed with bureaucratic nonsense to adopt new methods. That was a really absurd post.