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To: koan who wrote (48048)	7/8/2013 11:45:23 AM
From: TimF	Respond to of 85487

That is exactly what happened and I really wish you would not call me a liar. I believe you toss the term around easily enough, perhaps being on the other end of it will make you rethink that habit. I don't think your lying here. Mistaken yes, but that isn't the same thing as lying. The conservatives where opposed to anything remotely like Obamacare, or any single payer system, from the start. They where not part of the coalition Obama was trying to get together to get a bill passed. It was moderate Democrats* who where against single payer but would sign up for mandates etc. * at least moderate for Democrats, nothing about supporting a law like the PPACA is really moderate

To: koan who wrote (48048)	7/8/2013 11:55:44 AM
From: i-node	Respond to of 85487

>> Bush did exactly the same thing when he passed that huge medicare give away to big pharma. That huge Medicare giveaway to big pharma that came in 40% under budget, with a budget variance growing more favorable every year until Obamacare? That huge Medicare giveaway to big pharma that reduced the overall cost of Rx drugs by allowing private enterprise to negotiate with Big Pharma for better drug prices? That huge Medicare giveaway that, more than anything else in history, made consumers more aware of the existence of less expensive generic alternatives because of the "donut hole", which Obamacare eliminated? That huge Medicare giveaway that, by any measure, was the most cost effective public health program in the history of federal involvement?