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To: TREND1 who wrote (24837)	12/7/1997 1:10:00 PM
From: edward miller	Respond to of 53903

>> Now here is my problem....What do I get out of the extra >> $1,500 and for the life of me, I can not figure out what >> I would do on the PII that I can not do on the P166 with MMX >> .......................................................... >> Is the "industry" having the same problem as me ???? >> Have computers just gone too far ? >> And how does this all relate to future sales of EDO and SDRAM ??? Larry, I agree, and several others who work with me in the semi business see the same thing. I think this is bad news for Intel over the long haul because other processors can do everything that almost everyone wants and needs to do. However, I see the memory business differently. People will still find new uses for their computers, and these new uses will be quite sophisticated and need a lot of memory (not always of course). I think that the computer industry's future (in the home anyway) will be in the software - development of more sophisticated and more fun applications (can mean the same thing sometimes). I've thought about what I want to see in my next computer (and the ones I will buy for my kids still living at home). Since I'm in no hurry I am waiting - perhaps another year even - for a LOW COST computer which with the capacity for more memory. Being in the industry doesn't mean I will overpay for what I don't need. Sure, I want >4X CDROM and a good HDD (but I don't need >2GB). etc. Insufficient memory is another story. Computer art eats memory and I don't want to cut off any possible excellent applications in which they may have real interest (and need at some time). In summary, I could care less about Intel CPU, but I want memory and the ability to add. You brought up some good questions. Ed Miller

To: TREND1 who wrote (24837)	12/7/1997 7:44:00 PM
From: DavidG	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 53903

Larry, You have a fine computer now. Do not get suckered in by all of this marketing hoopla. It is nonsense and people are just like sheep following the latest and greatest PC's and they will never use the features and speed. Besides by the time someone waits for a sale on a PC it is usually obsolete. Pentium II PC's are now obsolete and in my opinion not worth the money. Larry, tell me the truth, How fast can you really type???<ggg> Save yourself a lot of money and just overclock your P133 to a 166 by changing the multiplier from 2 to 2.5. INTEL makes great chips, with a very good yield. Most all 133s run at 166mhz. If the heatsink and fan is not a hefty one like CYRIX uses(1/2inch high HS) then buy one. You probably don't need it but it is always better to keep the CPU as cool as possible. Remember the asians were doing this on their PC's for over a year. In fact they were remarking all 133s to 166s and selling them in stores and computer shows etc. Most 166s bought this way are counterfeit. Yours is not as well as Dell,GTW,CPQ, etc. Then bring your memory up to 64megs and your cache, if the board allows, to 512k and you have a machine that will work fine for you and almost as fast. DavidG

To: TREND1 who wrote (24837)	12/7/1997 9:11:00 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	Respond to of 53903

larry, upgrade the chip on your p133 to a p166, if possible. no more, no less. you must have massive spreadsheets, bro!

To: TREND1 who wrote (24837)	12/7/1997 9:57:00 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 53903

larry, intel is now a commodity company. 98% of the market could live with a p166 with no reason to upgrade unless their computer breaks. 2% of the market really needs more. not a rosy scenario to me b/c there is lots of competition on the p166-200 pentiums. prices are plummeting and so is intel's fat, fat margins.

To: TREND1 who wrote (24837)	12/8/1997 7:08:00 AM
From: KENNETH R SANDERS	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 53903

LARRY>>>Yet, the engineer in me keeps trying to buy a P II with 64Mb of SDRAM...........for $2,500 from Micron.<<<<About 3 mos. ago, I paid $2565 including S&H&Taxes for P200 MMX, 64Mb RAM,56.6 Modem and 17" Monitor to Micron. Before I was watching the grass grow with only 8 Mb of Ram.......now I fly. Don't settle for less than 64RAM. I am using DTN Real Time with their satellite feed and they told me I would need to dedicate a computer to their system only which requires 32 RAM and I couldn't run other systems at the same time. Well they were wrong since I'm able to run their system, surf the net, trade online, Dragon,Internetphone, etc. I'm glad I didn't wait for the lower prices since the convenience is well worth the price difference and next year they will be cheaper, but I want it now not next year! You'll make it back on a couple day trades and remember it's tax deductible