Silicon Investor (SI) -- The First Internet Community

STOCKTALK

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor. We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community. If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.

Politics : President Barack Obama -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (135614)	8/10/2013 2:23:02 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

BOW all the kids I grew up with got out of the ghetto as soon as they got an education. And going to a university is the hardest work one will ever do. And half the nation now lives alone. People are changing as they get REAL freedom to live like they want. Most of those who live alone are women. We humans are only now learning what we are and adapting accordingly. It also seems once people got REAL freedom they sure like tattoos-lol.

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (135614)	8/10/2013 7:14:48 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 149317

I don't how we can intelligently debate this any more without more data. You and Tejeck are convinced it is our failure to implement more free programs for the poor that traps them in welfare, and I am convinced that it is a welfare system itself that traps them. You are misconstruing what I am saying. I am not suggesting a free program. I am suggesting that we improve the quality of inner city schools so that they are the equivalent of the schools found in affluent communities.......something similar to what was done with Garfield High, a black high school in a predominately black neighborhood of Seattle. The school was upgraded and became a center for Advanced Placement [AP] courses, drawing kids from all over the city. Two kids from my neighborhood will be going there next year. Its where I was first introduced to Obama. Its not without controversy or racial tensions but it is successful: Academics Of the approximately 400 students who graduated in 2011, 70 percent planned to attend four-year colleges, and 20 percent planned to attend two-year colleges. Garfield has over 200 students in IEP (Individualized Learning) and ELL (English Language Learners) programs, along with 415 APP (Accelerated Progress Program) students. The school currently offers 17 Advanced Placement and 10 honors courses. In 2012, the mean reading, math and writing SAT scores for Garfield students were 575, 578 and 569, respectively. [11] Garfield was one of 14 schools in King County in 2007 to receive the "School of Distinction" award from the office of superintendent of public instruction for making the most progress over six years in reading and writing on the WASL. [12] The school also had a silver medal of distinction from U.S. News and World Report in 2008 and 2009 for being among the top-performing high schools in terms of college readiness. [12] The school is noted for producing a number of National Merit Scholars each year, [5] and Garfield consistently produces more National Merit Scholars each year than any other public school in Washington state. [13] Garfield frequently competes for the highest number of National Merit Scholars of any school in the state, including private schools. [14] Garfield students make up more than 70 percent of the Seattle Public School students who take AP exams. [13] Each year there are dozens of valedictorians, most of whom go on to the top universities. [15] In June 2005, 44 valedictorians graduated. [12] In recent years, however, the school has faced widespread complaints that white students are served through AP and honors programs, and black students are not supported. [16] During the 2006–2007 school year Garfield offered more than 120 different classes across nine departments, including an extensive selection of advanced classes. Garfield students also take classes from local community colleges through a program called Running Start. Students also take courses through online programs from Stanford's EPGY and Johns Hopkins University's CTY program. Students also attend on-campus courses at the University of Washington. [17] en.wikipedia.org Because of its success, the program has been set up at a second high school in the city where the student body is minority majority.

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (135614)	8/10/2013 7:30:45 PM
From: tejek	2 Recommendations Recommended By Bread Upon The Water John Vosilla Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 149317

All I can say is that back in the days before welfare became wide spread there was a very strong work ethic in the culture connected with having a family. Now that ethic has been eroded because single parents can survive without working, and no work ethic gets passed on to the children of those parents. I just got back from the gym. Don Lemon on CNN is talking about the same subject. Some interesting points that were brought: a clip by Malcolm X back in the 1960s I think saying that too many blacks have a slave mentality and wait for whites to tell them what to do or to employ them. a clip where the FLOTUS is saying that blacks have to stop criticizing a black child who is reading a book by saying he's acting white. Interesting side story about this issue from when I was doing my student teaching..........this was in 2008 when Obama first ran. We were talking about the election in class when one of the kids said they didn't like Obama because he talked white. I said he didn't talk white.........instead I said he talks educated. This started a huge discussion in which the entire class was engaged.......something every teacher dreams about. <g> Of course, the most aware students in the class eventually wanted to know if I was voting for Obama. ;) But in the minority community, acting or behaving what is perceived as white is seen as a negative......esp among young minorities. That has got to change sooner rather than later. a rapper was incensed that Lemon agreed with Bill O'Reilly on one point and wrote him a long letter. Here are the 5 points Lemon came up with late weekend.......I did not see that show: “Here’s number five. Pull up your pants. If you’re sagging, I mean — I think it’s your self-esteem that is sagging and who you are as a person it’s sagging. Young people need to be taught respect and there are rules. [...] Number four now is the n-word. I understand poetic license, but consider this: I hosted a special on the n-word, suggesting that black people stop using it and that entertainers stop deluding yourselves or themselves and others that you’re somehow taking the word back. [...] Now number three. Respect where you live. Start small by not dropping trash, littering in your own communities. I’ve lived in several predominantly white neighborhoods in my life, I rarely, if ever, witnessed people littering. I live in Harlem now, it’s an historically black neighborhood, every single day I see adults and children dropping their trash on the ground when a garbage can is just feet away. Just being honest here. [...] Number two, finish school. You want to break the cycle of poverty? Stop telling kids they’re acting white because they go to school or they speak proper English. [...]* And number one, and probably the most important, just because you can have a baby, it doesn’t mean you should. Especially without planning for one or getting married first. More than 72 percent of children in the African-American community are born out of wedlock. That means absent fathers. And the studies show that lack of a male role model is an express train right to prison and the cycle continues. So, please, black folks, as I said if this doesn’t apply to you, I’m not talking to you. Pay attention to and think about what has been presented in recent history as acceptable behavior. Pay close attention to the hip-hop and rap culture that many of you embrace. A culture that glorifies everything I just mentioned, thug and reprehensible behavior, a culture that is making a lot of people rich, just not you. And it’s not going to.” realclearpolitics.com As I mentioned earlier, some members of the black community are incensed.