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To: epicure who wrote (229322)	8/14/2013 10:58:09 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543192

We've become too permissive. Since we can't depend on the fear of the wrath of God to keep people in line, we've gotta put the fear of law in their heads. (As if bankers have to fear the government.) In this country it is a good thing to kill an admiral ( eg fraudster) from time to time to encourage the others. Voltaire

To: epicure who wrote (229322)	8/14/2013 11:13:24 AM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543192

There is another problem however. What in fact do you do with such people? Its not unlike the question of healthcare. Nobody would want to employ my relative. So its either the state provides them not only medical care, but also food and shelter, or they end up on the street. They will in fact not lift a finger to help themselves. Do you let them starve then?? BTW, this is something that is one of the down sides to immigration. In my rural, heavily Ag based setting, what I see is tons of Hispanics who are go getters, many without much education at all, but they are chasing the American dream with all the vigor that 1'st generation immigrants have always shown, and they have largely knocked the poorer end of the existing white population out of employment, because they just can't compete. So the poorer whites have left Ag, yard care, and most the manual labor in construction, and instead have taken to meth labs, welfare and disability. Its a chronic problem, and the solution is not obvious to me.