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To: RetiredNow who wrote (136555)	8/29/2013 10:54:07 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

No, we are a democracy and voting for a welfare state does not lead toward becoming the third reich or communism in a democracy. The soviet union and Russia were NOT democracies. That is kind of an important point-lol! So with universal healthcare you take a step away from freedom and towards the collective. If you keep taking steps in that direction, it will eventually lead to the state making all decisions for you, as we have seen in Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany or Communist Cuba and Venezuela. This is the logical and slippery slope that seems to always happen in history.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (136555)	8/29/2013 11:35:09 PM
From: Alex MG	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

In the case of healthcare for example, it's a laudable goal to have universal healthcare, paid for by the collective society. That is socialism. I'm not making a judgement here, but rather just pointing out the obvious. So think about what that means. If society decides on a socialist goal, like universal healthcare, then that quite literally means everyone's choice of health care options available in the marketplace will be replaced by a set of choices the state decides are appropriate..... it will eventually lead to the state making all decisions for you, as we have seen in Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany or Communist right, that is socialism, to have basic healthcare... but then you jump to the conclusion (fear monger) that everyone will be herded into cattle cars like the Nazi's... LMFAO! you are a hoot... shades of Sarah Palin news flash to mindmed... it's possible to have a singlepayer socialist system for basic healthcare and at the same time a Cadillac system for those who want to pay more for what they get... I don't believe in accidents and I don't believe in coincidences. Why is this lurch to the far left happening all at once? Quite simply, it is the slippery slope. oh jeez, more fearmongering and conspiracy theories but wrong again: "In the Presidential Campaign of 1912, Roosevelt left the Republican Party and joined the Progressive Party, which quickly came to be known as the Bull Moose Party in his honor. The Bull Moose platform, labeled as the “Square Deal”, included, for the first time in American politics, a plan to provide universal health insurance to all Americans. After Roosevelt’s defeat by Woodrow Wilson, some efforts were made by progressives to see health care legislation passed by congress. With out the support of the President, however, these efforts found little traction.