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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (54522)	10/6/2013 1:05:23 AM
From: Sdgla	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 85487

Not bright enuf to know nothing comes for free ? Just as u easily dismiss those nasty unfunded liabilities.. No worries matey... Enlightenment is just a bubble away.

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (54522)	10/6/2013 2:56:21 AM
From: Jorj X Mckie	3 Recommendations Recommended By Brian Sullivan FJB miraje Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 85487

Wrong. I know you would like it to be that way, but, not in this country. Why, we even have one city, named Dallas, that says you're entitled to food with your education. It's in Texas, if you'd like to participate. you should read the Bill of Rights one day. And as you read it, you should look for what each amendment has in common. The first amendment doesn't say that the government or anybody else must provide you with a venue from which you can express yourself and it doesn't obligate anybody to listen. It says that the government can't pass laws that interfere with your freedom of speech. Notice that it doesn't say that the government can't take away your right to freedom of speech. The reason for that is that the right to free speech exists on its own without the existence of any government. The right itself cannot be taken away, only the ability to exercise that right. It's the same thing with religion, the press, the right to peaceably assemble and the right to petition the government. In all cases the wording is a protection of rights that exist naturally. No human gives us those rights, especially the government. Additionally, nobody is obligated to do anything to facilitate your ability to exercise those rights. The second amendment says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". Again, it doesn't say that the right shall not be taken away, because the right to protect yourself cannot be taken away by any human or government. It says that the right shall not be infringed. It also doesn't say that anybody is obligated to provide you with arms. Just that the government isn't allowed to infringe on your ability to bear arms. The third amendment is pretty odd "No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law." It's pretty obvious that it was common practice for the british government to tell homeowners that they had to provide housing for soldiers. Where the wording is specific, the underlying message is that your home is your home and the government doesn't have the right to force you to house soldiers (or anybody else). Again, it doesn't say anything about anybody being obligated to provide you with a home. The fourth amendment "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized". Again, no right is being granted, because the government cannot grant natural rights. The government can only protect or infringe on those rights. The fourth amendment is about protecting your right to be secure in your home (etc). And the protection is FROM the government. Again, no right is being given to anybody and nobody is obligated to do anything as a result of the fourth amendment. The fifth amendment protects against double jeopardy and self incrimination and forces the government to follow due process You can read the rest of the amendments on your own, but I assure you that not one of them obligates any individual to provide anything to anybody. And not one of them promises you something that obligates somebody else to provide it for you. There is no right to a roof over your head because that would require that the government forces somebody to provide that roof over your head. There is no right to a living wage because that obligates the government to force somebody to provide the living wage. This, of course, goes against free market principles. once the government starts granting rights instead of protecting them, that government must violate the rights of some people to fulfill the granted rights (entitlements) of others. Obviously this moves the country away from the rule of law. Which we certainly have seen lately. A key component of the philosophy on which this country was founded is that the rights of individuals exist naturally and the government's role is to protect those naturally occurring rights. Of course, the vast majority of governments are founded on the idea that governments grant rights to the people. And of course, if the government grants rights, they can take them away.