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To: Reginald Middleton who wrote (14714)	12/9/1997 6:14:00 PM
From: Justin Banks	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24154

Reg - Has MSFT dominated the Enterprise yet? Depends on who you ask. You've always seemed to think they have. What will a 25 user Unix systems with the same nodes and clustering features cost as compared to Wintel? We've been over this before. Depends on usage. You buy an SGI, Sun, or whatever, and the only restriction on the number of people that can use it is the performance of the system. With Wintel, you've got to buy these damn user licence things. There's no such thing as a '25 user Unix system'. There's is such a thing as a Unix system that can handle 25 users, but it's not the same. BTW : 'Nodes' and 'clustering features' are marketing speak for 'we can't build a SMP box that will meet your needs, so you've got to put up with this programming and maintenance nightmare called a cluster. Sorry'. BTW : Linux is free. Believe it or not, they're lots of businesses using it for database apps, as well as web serving and email. That's a price MSFT can't beat. Oh yeah, the performance is better on the same hardware. -justinb

To: Reginald Middleton who wrote (14714)	12/10/1997 2:53:00 PM
From: nommedeguerre	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 24154

Reggie, >Has MSFT dominated the Enterprise yet? On top of that, they still have cut the cost of UNIX style computing significantly. Which is cheaper: 1) Buying the next 5 versions of "UNIX-style" computing WindowsNT software. 2) Buying a single version of a real UNIX system and get today what NT promises to deliver at an undetermined date in the future. Microsoft hasn't even dominated the Enterprise market and already they are testing the waters of price-gouging; makes one wonder how far behind the PC marketing squads can be. Take it easy, Norm

To: Reginald Middleton who wrote (14714)	12/12/1997 1:50:00 PM
From: Justin Banks	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24154

Reg - What will a 25 user Unix systems with the same nodes and clustering features cost as compared to Wintel? 12. Linux Grows Up: Red Hat's commercial Linux beats NT at its own game (Source: Maggie Biggs, Computer Currents Interactive, Dec. 9, 1997) Linux's charms are many. It's free, fast, stable, and flexible, supports more platforms than NT, and can be run on far more modest server hardware. The downsides are that most Linux implementations lack essentials, like Web and email servers, and you typically get little or no tech support (although any administrator can install these things, typically for 0 added cost). But those days may be over, as my look at the near-release version of Red Hat Linux 5.0 shows. I recently set up two simple 10-user test intranets for a fictional insurance company. One was built with Red Hat Linux 5.0 and the other was set up with Windows NT Server 4.0. With Red Hat, not only did I get the base OS, but also a Web server, email server, database program, and more. The total cost was $49.95. The cost of a similar NT setup is over $4,600 (see below the table "Red Hat Linux Versus NT"). Now you can see why Linux is making strong inroads in the corporate world. Red Hat Linux Versus NT Red Hat Linux isn't just cheap--you get a number of bundled services compared to NT. Feature Red Hat Linux 5.0 WinNT 4.0 Server Base operating system * * Web server * * Email * Extra Development tools * Extra Database * Extra Total Cost $49.95 $4,636 * = item included -justinb

To: Reginald Middleton who wrote (14714)	12/15/1997 8:41:00 AM
From: Justin Banks	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 24154

Reg - It just struck me that my last response to you was less than legible, so I'm going to repost in a more tabular format (see msg. 14866). But those days may be over, as my look at the near-release version of Red Hat Linux 5.0 shows. I recently set up two simple 10-user test intranets for a fictional insurance company. One was built with Red Hat Linux 5.0 and the other was set up with Windows NT Server 4.0. With Red Hat, not only did I get the base OS, but also a Web server, email server, database program, and more. The total cost was $49.95. The cost of a similar NT setup is over $4,600 (see below the table "Red Hat Linux Versus NT"). Now you can see why Linux is making strong inroads in the corporate world. Red Hat Linux Versus NT Red Hat Linux isn't just cheap--you get a number of bundled services compared to NT. Feature Red Hat Linux 5.0 WinNT 4.0 Server Base operating system * * Web server * * Email * Extra Development tools * Extra Database * Extra Total Cost $49.95 $4,636 * = item included -justinb