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To: koan who wrote (750909)	11/2/2013 11:33:42 AM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 1576158

Lincoln didn't like the way blacks smell and thought they should all be sent back to africa. you dont have a clue about history or anything else

To: koan who wrote (750909)	11/2/2013 11:49:46 AM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576158

how much is this bullshit gonna cost us EXECUTIVE ORDER: Obama directs gov't to prepare for global warming...

To: koan who wrote (750909)	11/2/2013 11:53:14 AM
From: combjelly	1 Recommendation Recommended By bentway Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1576158

Lincoln was a flaming liberal. He was a human being. In many ways you can cast him in a modern, liberal mold. But not in everything. He was really fond of the railroads, for example. But favored the working class and their issues to the point that he and Karl Marx were pen pals. And then he wrote this "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country....corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." Almost like he could see the future, huh? The seeds of today had already been planted back then.

To: koan who wrote (750909)	11/2/2013 11:43:32 PM
From: Bilow	2 Recommendations Recommended By Brumar89 TideGlider Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576158

Hi koan; You're posting about Lincoln but I think it's rather important that Lincoln was the founder of the Republican party. It's a lot easier to attribute political beliefs to a party than it is to a single person. Lincoln mostly had to do with the conduct of the War, but the Republicans existed before and long after the war. So to see whether the Republicans were conservatives or liberals I think you need to examine Republican beliefs, policies, and their coalition rather than focus on a single person. So are you admitting that the Republicans were the conservative party but asserting the Lincoln was a liberal? Or are you just avoiding talking about the Republicans? Before I recall you were saying that the Republicans before 1900 were liberals. Have you given up on that? -- Carl

To: koan who wrote (750909)	11/3/2013 9:33:01 AM
From: Brumar89	4 Recommendations Recommended By Bilow FJB PKRBKR TideGlider Respond to of 1576158

The GOP had virtual one party rule from the Civil War through the mid-1870's. The House was Republican controlled till 1874. The Senate till 1878. And the Democrats weren't competitive in Presidential elections till 1876, when Republican Rutherford B Hayes won by one electoral vote. So if northern Republicans were so liberal, why didn't they make the US a liberal paradise when they had the chance? Why didn't the northern liberal Republicans establish gay marriage, transgender bathroom rights in public schools, abolish school prayer, ban crosses from public sight, establish mandatory unions in all industry, establish universal healthcare, universal child care, social security for retirees, shutdown the coal industry, prevent the Standard Oil Trust and oil industry from getting started (Rockefeller's first refinery was built in 1873)? They could have put the US on a green transgendered path when they had the chance. Why they didn't appoint a single dyke to the Supreme Court! Instead they worked to return the US to the gold standard. What's liberal about that?