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To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (20973)	11/4/2013 2:00:06 PM
From: Augustus Gloop	1 Recommendation Recommended By Jorj X Mckie Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 23934

I agree with much of what you're saying - I just don't think we're going to get where we want to go with the rhetoric some of these people are using. <<How can we preach self sufficiency and free market economies when republicans are pushing TARP?>> That started under Bush and has continued for 5+ years. Jorj - I truly believe we had to do it in 2008. I think if we knew how close to financial collapse we really were when Lehman went down we'd be horrified. <<Our military was chartered in the constitution to be defensive. How can we refer to things like the federalist papers to justify our interpretation of the constitution when we ignore it for the military>> Personal view - we (the Republicans) had a free pass in 2001 to respond in whatever way we wanted because the war was on terror. The response was WAY too measured imo. It should have been swift and UFB'ly devastating. We should have vaporized major cities in the middle east - we missed our chance. <<What the republican party has been doing for the past 50 years has not been working>> I would contend that at times it has. The economy of the 80's and 90's were because of the Reagan/Bush policies. Whats happened in the past 5 years has set us back 30. What happened in 2001 was a catastrophe - way more than I thought it would be. We're living through an engineered depression. We need a leader with vision that can instill hope - like Reagan did. I really believed Romney had the qualities to do just that... I'm hoping that we're where the democrats were in 1988....waiting for the rebirth of our party. Who would have ever thought (in '88) that Bill Clinton would become President in '92? We need someone to step forward and take the lead. We need to sell hope to the American people

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (20973)	11/4/2013 6:37:59 PM
From: Neeka	2 Recommendations Recommended By PuddleGlum robert a belfer Respond to of 23934

I think you've hit on a good strategy. Let those rebels within the repub party say it loudly and often.........what the left is doing is NOT the American way. Let them say democrats are governing the way nations have been governed (especially in Europe...........Obama's dream govt) since the end of WW2. In fact that way of governing is old fashioned, out of touch, antiquated and it does not work. Tell people those rules don't apply in a modern world, and we (the Palins, and Pauls) will continue to speak about it over and over until it is drummed into the fuzzy minds of every American. Imagine that it is not right, not cool, not proper to desire the Constitutional government our Founders left us. Imagine people who call out for smaller govt, less intrusion in their lives, more freedom and opportunity are vilified and berated. This is what liberals and democrats have been doing to American Patriots for years as they've shaped a national mindset that rejects all that America was and is. And imagine they have been so successful even so called republicans embrace those notions. This is where we are at, and it's a tipping point. If we don't stop this downward spiral, we will have lost the best nation ever conceived. The Pauls and Palins know this, and they are not going to go quietly into the night, and neither am I. Let a skilled republican candidate emerge and simplify the message, while the more passionate republican shouts the message.

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (20973)	11/24/2013 7:45:37 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 23934

our middle east military presence is a hidden subsidy to the oil industry Is the existence of cops a hidden subsidy to banks, jewelry stores etc.? If its a subsidy to the oil industry wouldn't it mostly be a subsidy to Saudi Aramco, Kuwait Oil Company, Qatar Petroleum, Petroleum Development Oman, etc? I personally don't buy the idea that its any sort of subsidy (or at least that the military activity in general is, specific contracts could be a way to shovel money to cronies).