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To: JohnM who wrote (240676)	12/29/2013 10:36:21 AM
From: Bread Upon The Water	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541067

But we don't charge the young for it upfront in their health insurance (we do that thru taxes in their paychecks). And we will see the results of whether the higher charges in the health insurance for the "losers" under AFCA effects the rate of their participation in it. Lots of young and healthy people may decide that a $95 dollar fine is better than a 170 a month health care preimum with a $5000 deductible. That means you still have to pay $1900 a year and still shell out if you want to see a DR. Some of these people are going to decide it is better to stash the $1900 in the bank so it is there when they have a medical need. And if they priced health insurance before the AFCA was implemented they are aware that Obamacare is costing them more to join--on an apples to apples basis. I am not saying this behavior is a given--the jury is still out on it.

To: JohnM who wrote (240676)	12/29/2013 12:56:39 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541067

<<<<Not even debatable.>>>>> Of yes it is debatable - and you're seeing that right now with the entire country debating it. What the other programs are is pure socialistic plays - AND that is why they work. With Obamacare you have left the capitalistic masters in place and in control.............. "Apples and orange" is a way closer comparison than Obamacare and SS.

To: JohnM who wrote (240676)	12/29/2013 4:08:10 PM
From: KyrosL	Respond to of 541067

We all already do this. It's called Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security and unemployment benefits and the full panoply of safety net features. I wish ACA was like Medicare and the rest. Unfortunately it is not, because unlike SS etc, it creates a well defined group of "losers", many of them far from "rich", who are supporting the bulk of the program. When ACA becomes like SS and Medicare, perhaps after its failure in its current incarnation, I will support it.