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To: RMF who wrote (68824)	1/27/2014 10:00:45 AM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71588

Economy needed crushing back then... and needed it in 08 and so now it needs to happen again to get all the dead wood out. Funny thing is now there's really no way to kick the can down the road... we're going DOWN... and it wouldn't a mattered one hoot who was president... except now the DEM can look like shit instead of the other guy- LOL DAK

To: RMF who wrote (68824)	1/28/2014 9:30:23 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71588

Carter was the one that appointed Volcker and he appointed him to do EXACTLY what he did, although maybe not to such a severe extent. And he didn't do it while Carter was in office. As far as Reagan's tax cuts I don't think they had much affect at all except for the wealthiest of Americans. Even the cuts on the wealthiest were beneficial (in fact possibly the most beneficial since before and after they had the highest rates), but tax rates where cut for essentially all payers of personal income tax. Those cuts combined with the smashing down of inflation, where almost certainly the biggest government policy factors behind growth from the end of the early 80s double dip recession until the early 2000s recession. That isn't to say they necessarily where the biggest factors, since there are plenty of factors outside of government policy, but they where a big part of the reason for the growth. Reagan and Volcker CRUSHED the economy to almost depression levels with interest rates over 20% which put MANY small business owners OUT of business. So Carter, having appointed Volker gets all the credit for wringing out inflation, but Reagan gets the credit for the cost to do so? I'd blame pre-Carter presidents (and congresses) and pre-Volker fed chairmen who created the inflation for the cost of curing it. How many manufacturing jobs were GAINED/LOST during the Reagan years? I could probably find the data, but I consider the question to be just about meaningless. Everyone is and has been losing manufacturing jobs, except the countries at much earlier stages in their development, and not even all of them. China has been losing a lot of manufacturing jobs. Some of it is manufacturing being set up in countries with cheaper labor than China (or at least cheaper then the coastal provinces of China), but most of it is improved productivity. Manufacturing in the US has been up not down. We produce more with fewer workers. That's a plus not a minus.