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To: koan who wrote (766836)	1/29/2014 3:30:49 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575424

Funny that this great capitalist nation of ours is the only western democracy without universal health care and affordable education. Wouldn't the free marketers expect us to be first in these two categories, instead of being last?

To: koan who wrote (766836)	1/29/2014 4:10:30 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 1575424

"No one is arguing against self evident rights. I am saying what are they?; and how do we achieve them all the time.? Jefferson failed." =================================== He did pretty well considering the time and circumstances he had to work with. But I agree in part and wish we could have a do-over. Example: The 2nd amendment is flawed. There is no natural right to weapons except that it stems from the natural right of self defense. That premise may be assumed to be present in the amendment but I would have preferred that it was stated and that bearing arms is simply an extension of the natural right of self defense. I would prefer their had been a lot more work on defining what we mean by self evident natural rights. Same with free speech, it should be freedom of conscience, which extends to conscientious speech. Then all this bizarre nastiness we get with freedom of expression could be curtailed, much of it being unconscionable or exploitive and degrading. I could go on but you get the point...

To: koan who wrote (766836)	1/29/2014 6:53:49 PM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Recommended By FJB Respond to of 1575424

Dem Sen. Mark Begich On Obama: “I Don’t Need Him Campaigning For Me”…

To: koan who wrote (766836)	1/30/2014 2:00:04 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	1 Recommendation Recommended By Brumar89 Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575424

Koan, No one is arguing against self evident rights. I am saying what are they? You are clearly contradicting yourself. Quote from your post: There are no self-evident rights of the individual. If there were then democracy would not be so messy. You are obviously arguing against the concept of self-evident rights, because you believe rights are determined by the whims of society. Truth is relative in your world. Tenchusatsu