To: bentway who wrote (246101 ) 3/2/2014 12:23:40 PM From: epicure Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 542143 If anything, I think most schools are better now. The way I teach, the amount I cover, and the material my colleagues cover, is greater than when I was in school in the 70's. I actually have my work from high school- I saved it :-) And we cover a great deal more. We read a lot of the same books (though now we do a bit more to force students to actually read them- I remember in high school a lot of my friends never read any of the books). We do internet research- all the time, and sometimes in class. We study ethos, logos and pathos, and have a defined list of 88 literary terms students must know before thy graduate (a few are learned in each grade). We have short stories, units of poetry, and non-fiction material that must be covered. And we have grammar (SAT words-300 per year, 150 per term, 20 per week- with time off when weeks are less than 3 days long) and vocab books. In my English classes when I was in high school we had classic literature, very few short stories, and a little poetry. I remember almost no non-fiction. Researching was limited, because you had to go to libraries to do it- so we didn't do a lot of that. I don't remember doing a lot of rhetorical material- not till college- and now we do that in high school. I learned to be an ace English student mostly because I read on my own- the kids who didn't read all the time did a lot worse- but there were still decent jobs for people who didn't go to college, and a lot of the people I went to college with got those jobs (which are mostly gone now.) We have better schools, worse parents, and a far worse job market. And yet, people blame the schools. It's very stupid- but much in this life is very stupid. There's nothing much you can do about stupidity (as they say "Can't fix stupid") so it's best to ignore the stupid, focus your energy where you can have an impact, and forge connections with people you like and who will support you.