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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (246871)	3/8/2014 11:25:22 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542243

"what the Dem Senators have to face politically on the cop killer defender issue" You mean the ones who support cop killer's 2nd Amendment rights, but not his 6th? In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.[note 1][1] en.wikipedia.org Them? I'd tell them that John Adams is rolling over in his grave, as is his son, who warned us not to intervene in Libya, Syria, and Ukraine. == John Adams, in his old age, called his defense of British soldiers in 1770 "one of the most gallant, generous, manly, and disinterested actions of my whole life, and one of the best pieces of service I ever rendered my country." That's quite a statement, coming as it does from perhaps the most underappreciated great man in American history. The day after British soldiers mortally wounded five Americans on a cobbled square in Boston, thirty-four-year-old Adams was visted in his office near the stairs of the Town Office by a Boston merchant , James Forest. "With tears streaming from his eyes" (according to the recollection of Adams), Forest asked Adams to defend the soldiers and their captain, Thomas Preston. Adams understood that taking the case would not only subject him to criticism, but might jeopardize his legal practice or even risk the safety of himself and his family. But Adams believed deeply that every person deserved a defense, and he took on the case without hesitation. For his efforts, he would receive the modest sum of eighteen guineas. law2.umkc.edu Shame on you, Joe Manchin and Heidi Heidtkamp and Cheris Coons and you other4. I am John Adam's Rat, and I approve this message. disclaimer.. this is Ben's Mouse

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (246871)	3/8/2014 5:18:57 PM
From: Alex MG	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 542243

I posted here scholarly articles on the subject which supported the "eventual death of slavery' due to economic inadquacy" anyone who makes that argument is simply an apologist for slavery, it's TOTAL bullshit... yeah, I'm sure your "scholarly article" was from some right wing propaganda site such as heritage foundation and to actually believe that crap you have to have some serious blinders on, the South fought a brutal war because they wanted to keep their slaves, but you claim without the war they were about to give them up, when even up until the 1930s there was still defacto slavery in the South when it had been supposedly abolished... when it comes to history you are as clueless as they come, you drink the koolaid of the wingnuts as for the Roberts issue as it relates to the recent Obama nomination for civil rights attorney, you claim it is "off the wall" actually it is exactly the same thing you have a serious case of head up ass affliction if you can't see the how it relates Roberts defended a mass murderer who killed 8 people execution style yet no one made an issue of it when he was nominated for SCOTUS Obama's guy defended a guy who killed one person, yet now the right wing go nuts that Obama is a "cop killer advocate" Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) excoriated the Senate’s failure to confirm Debo Adegbile to head the Justice Department’s Civil Rights division on Wednesday, calling it the low point of his 30-year tenure Harkin argued the vote revealed a racist double standard, as no one had challenged the nomination of Chief Justice John Roberts of the Supreme Court based on the rightfully uncontroversial fact that he had once represented a mass murderer pro bono. “Here’s the message we sent today,” he said on the floor. “You young people listen up. If you are a young white person and you go to work for a law firm…and that law firm assigns you to a pro bono case to defend someone who killed 8 people in cold blood…My advice from what happened today is you should do that. As part of your legal obligation, as part of your profession. Because if you do that, who knows? You might wind up to be the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court.” But, Harkin continued, it’s now a different calculus for black lawyers. “If you’re a young black person and you work for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and you’re asked to sign an appeal for someone convicted of murder, the message sent today is, don’t do it. Don’t do it,” the senator said. “Because you know what? if you do that, in keeping with your legal obligations and your profession, you will be denied by the U.S. Senate from being [an] attorney in the U.S. Department of Justice. I guess what I am saying is we sent a message we have a double standard. A terrible double standard.”