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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (774242)	3/11/2014 2:57:52 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574046

Likewise, if the results of asymmetrical warfare are heavily one-sided, that doesn't prove genocide, either. So, you consider women, children and other non-combatants legitimate military targets? Huh.

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (774242)	3/11/2014 3:06:37 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574046

"But if you have a grand conspiracy to eliminate these people and you carry it out with sufficient efficiency and brutality, that is clearly genocide in my book. Anything between that and your standard of "mere intent" is a gray area that I would not be so quick to apply the "genocide" label to." I have never advocated a standard of "mere intent." If you need to make up falsehood to undermine all that has at this point been presented then I have no recourse but to treat it as such. I have demonstrated how Indians who were considered to be very good human beings were tortured, brutally mistreated, and exterminated systematically and repeatedly at the hands of the very people who had recognized their lack of any threat, starting from Columbus and up until the deliberate annihilation of tribulets through out California at the end of westward expansion. It was done at the behest of our countries leaders, and was commonly spoken of by the common person on the street. " if you have a grand conspiracy to eliminate these people and you carry it out with sufficient efficiency and brutality, that is clearly genocide in my book." From the highest level of government to the common man there was a grand conspiracy and sufficient efficiency and brutality which was applied to the cause. You should carry absolutely no doubt about that at this point, but I will be happy to continue providing more facts for you. It was not two sided. There were at least 500 separate Indian Nations at the dawn of America, with innumerable tribulets. The European Americans grouped them as one entity to be exterminated. So there was one side with a policy, agenda, organized action to a defined end, which became a well orchestrated and united effort among Government and civilian alike to exterminate race and culture. There wasn't even a war, except from the perspective of Americans, (and whichever tribe was in the path at the time maybe), but not from the perspective of 500 nations of Indians who merely passed on the word that the white soldiers are eventually going to get to each of us. Many tried and succeeded in treaty agreements, which we now know were just a temporary tactic by Americans to get into position to remove or exterminate who ever was in the path. Simple facts of the matter. There was no "other side" with that sort of cohesive agenda, there were some battles based on a last attempt to survive, but mostly it was an unrelenting aggressive move to exterminate by Americans. Ever heard of "Manifest Destiny"? Ever seen the term "war of extinction," which was on the tongue of every American of the mid to latter 1800s. Not that it was 100% supported but it was accepted by everyone as a description of what was happening. Jefferson initially supported the idea of gradual assimilation, as Americans had learned and adapted much from the tribes they had encountered east of the Mississippi. And it was working, as the Creek and Seminoles had assimilated into the European style of living. There would be no America without them, as Jackson was beaten back to the Gulf of Mexico by the Canadians during the war of 1812. He turned it around after recruiting the Creeks to join him. Then he became president and signed the Indian removal act (trail of tears).