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To: cosmicforce who wrote (247744)	3/21/2014 11:45:55 AM
From: koan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542059

First I am for free education for everyone. We should not compromise education because of cost. We should eliminate cost or reduce it dramatically. It is in our best interest as a society. Start with free pre school, with meals. The post below is most interesting to me as a thought process. E.g where is the choice of the bible or nothing? That seems a strange idea to me. All one has to do is go to the local library to get all the books they want. And is it better to read myth as it is real, or nothing. Probably nothing. <<Many people read the Bible - as it was supplied by the church. This is an issue of optimization - is it better to have kids who have no access to school be reading ANYTHING (including the Bible) or nothing? This post below I cannot understand at all. What imperfect process? All I am talking about is educating ones kids, by whatever means. You seem to be unnecessarily complicating the subject. As a systems guy you should know it is best to just design a good system. <<I had this discussion about quality activity with my boss. IMO It is better to have an imperfect process that is widely deployed and measured than a potentially better process that sits on a desk and never gets any run time. I can fix what is measured - like if we measured actual "corrections" at prisons, but not things that are unrelated to the effectiveness at all like headcount. That is my bias as a systems engineer. Measure what you want to improve, not by testing alone but by effectiveness checks under actual conditions of use.>> But this post below is clear to me and I have strong feelings about. You ask are people happier and more productive after education? Then say the trend is disturbingly "NO"" That is just not true. Where did you get this idea from. Every chart in the world shows people are more productive after education. And the idea people are happier after education is just plain silly. Of course they are. For one thing an educated mind makes less mistakes in life and so is axiomatically happier e.g. less end up in prison and people are healthier and live longer and I could go on all day long- :>). Development of the mind is the whole ball game. The degree to which one does not develop their mind is the degree to which they problems in life and leave that much understanding of the universe "on the table'. Surly you don't want to argue it is better to be ignorant than educated? << Are people happier and more productive after education? The trend is disturbingly becoming "No." That suggests that the relevance of education is declining as a means to improve people's lives. highereducation.org >>

To: cosmicforce who wrote (247744)	3/21/2014 1:03:39 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542059

"Are people happier and more productive after education? The trend is disturbingly becoming "No." That suggests that the relevance of education is declining as a means to improve people's lives. " Once, in a period of extreme teenage unhappiness and angst, I expressed to my mother how unhappy I was. She replied "What makes you think you're here to be happy?" I had no answer, but I've never forgotten that bit of wisdom whenever I catch myself feeling sorry for myself.