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To: koan who wrote (777277)	3/29/2014 2:21:50 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 1575761

look one of your heroes is a racist CROWD TURNS ON COLBERT...

To: koan who wrote (777277)	3/29/2014 2:51:59 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575761

>> You and I are the quintessential liberal and conservative. You have no idea what I am. The conservatives on this thread might tell you something quite different. I'm pro choice. I support drug legalization. Gay marriage (and I don't particularly give a shit if someone wants to marry a goat; it is his or her business). I oppose many Republicans as well as Democrats, and I support Democrats who do what is best for the country. If you were to review my posts from the period, I think you would find my lack of support for Obama was not predominantly political, but largely based on his ignorance, arrogance, and incompetence -- the three worst possible attributes a politician can possess IMO. It is evident you have ZERO knowledge of the greatest economist since Adam Smith. The man is NOT a conservative. He is a libertarian if ever there was one. Like M. Friedman, I believe that the government ought to, to the largest extent possible, stay the hell out of peoples' lives. That is NOT conservatism, where they only give lip service to that concept. Why don't we look at conservatives and scientists in general. large populations which statistics can make predictions about. Why is it that 51% of scientist's call themselves liberals and 80% lean democratic and only 6% call themselves Republicans? Puts me in pretty good company. No, it really doesn't. As I've pointed out, you haven't exactly shown yourself to be knowledgeable on the subject of statistics. I'm not sure what you think you're "predicting" statistically, but it is nonsense. There is no doubt, for example, that journalists are overwhelmingly liberal. As are musicians, movie actors, and though I doubt there is proof of it, it is possible some scientists are, as well. (Although, I would point out that 51% Democrat isn't an overwhelming vote of confidence). I don't criticize great musician's talents; but I'm also circumspect about the extent of it. Most of us have a good understand of some fields and very limited understanding of others. When you refer to "scientists" that is a very broad classification. Let me put this in perspective for you. You think you are in the cohort of "scientists", yet when it comes to some of the great scientists of all time (B. F. Skinner, or even Pavlov), you are in direct opposition to what they proved to be true. What we know about animal behavior flies in the face of the very economic philosophy you promote. So, don't come here with this bogus "the scientists agree with me" bullshit. The only scientists who agree with you are the same group who are just as ignorant about these other disciplines as you are.

To: koan who wrote (777277)	3/29/2014 7:39:40 PM
From: Bilow	2 Recommendations Recommended By i-node TideGlider Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1575761

Hi koan; Re: "Why is it that 51% of scientist's call themselves liberals and 80% lean democratic and only 6% call themselves Republicans? Puts me in pretty good company."; The scientists they are asking are employed by the government. They need liberal policies so that they can buy their baby a new pair of shoes. Hell, I'd bet that 80% of school teachers lean democratic and it's well known in academia that the people who major in teaching are pretty much the stupidest people who show up on campus. If you look at the liberal / conservative ratios for people with advanced degrees in science, but who work in the private sector (and by private sector I do not mean the businesses that survive only by their parasitical relationship with government, in particular, academia is now dependent on grant money from government and so are, in all but name, employees of the government), you will find that the ratios are reversed. Here's an example. In Alberta, Canada, a lot of geologists are employed in private industry. What do they think about global warming? They are skeptics: Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority of Scientists Skeptical of Global Warming Crisis Don’t look now, but maybe a scientific consensus exists concerning global warming after all. Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. By contrast, a strong majority of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem. The survey results show geoscientists (also known as earth scientists) and engineers hold similar views as meteorologists. Two recent surveys of meteorologists (summarized here and here) revealed similar skepticism of alarmist global warming claims. forbes.com Now when you go to the actual papers, you will find that the support for a "global warming crisis" is highest among people who are writing papers on the subject. But those are exactly the scientists that are being paid by government; as a class, their paychecks depend on convincing politicians of a crisis. So it is not at all surprising that they believe in it. The ones who were not so inclined, got better paying jobs in industry, working for the evil polluters. So the way that the "97%" statistic is created is by trimming away all but the well educated people who are stuffing themselves at the government trough. If instead, you look for opinions on global warming from the very highly educated people whose jobs are not dependent on tax collections, those people are highly skeptical of global warming. In other words, as is usual in politics, who you allow to vote is extremely important. Just like your side is always accusing the Republicans of restricting the vote by requiring that people do outrageous things like prove that they're a citizen, our side accuses yours of preventing educated people from having their opinions counted on global warming. -- Carl