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To: koan who wrote (778035)	4/2/2014 1:39:06 PM
From: joseffy	Respond to of 1573921

Idiot koan still fixated on Bush.

To: koan who wrote (778035)	4/2/2014 1:39:48 PM
From: joseffy	Respond to of 1573921

Idiot koan doesn't know that Obama has been president for five years.

To: koan who wrote (778035)	4/2/2014 1:49:09 PM
From: Brumar89	2 Recommendations Recommended By FJB TideGlider Respond to of 1573921

Democrats voted for the wars. Nobody voted for Obama's overthrow of the Libyan government.

To: koan who wrote (778035)	4/2/2014 2:15:19 PM
From: i-node	4 Recommendations Recommended By Brumar89 d[-_-]b FJB TideGlider Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573921

>> Bush started two stupid wars (by himself and he lied about it) But what do you say to the the facts, and they are facts, that -- a) Every western intelligence agency in the world that provided intelligence to the United States essentially agreed with Bush's version of the truth. Every one of them. President Clinton and Hillary, who were both in a position of knowledge, agreed with Bush's assessment. And important Democrats on the intelligence committees (like Rockefellar) agreed with it. So, how is that BUSH lied? It seems self-evident that if anyone lied it was before the information got to Bush. b) Hans Blix HIMSELF stated in his book on the subject that HE believed Saddam had WMDs. His difference was that he wanted to drag out the process of proving it, which made no sense from an American military point of view. c) Obama supported ONE of those two wars, and in fact has kept it going for five years and keeps it going even now without any real objective in mind. Bush certainly never supported risking our kids' lives in a war there was no objective to win; one can argue about whether the objective was worthwhile, but had he seen either war was unwinnable he would either have fixed it (like he did with the surge in Iraq) or he would have gotten the hell out. >> that have broken the bank and caused untold suffering. The wars did not break the bank -- it was a trillion dollars over ten years which was essentially the same as the stimulus and frankly, the wars were far more stimulative than the Obama stimulus ever was. When you judge it necessary to fight a war, you don't ask "how much?" You just do it. As to suffering, wars do cause suffering but a failure to act often does as well. As a practical matter, in the years since Saddam was removed fewer people have died in Iraq than in the years leading up to the war at the hands of Saddam. I will say that the Iraq at Afghanistan wars have been the most humane wars ever fought in history. That's not say they're humane, only that they are as humane as wars can possibly be at this point in time.

To: koan who wrote (778035)	4/2/2014 2:19:22 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	4 Recommendations Recommended By d[-_-]b PKRBKR steve harris TideGlider Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573921

As usual Koan, you avoid the question by blaming Bush. "Reset button diplomacy" was supposed to do more than just end Bush's wars. You don't need a "reset button" for that; in fact, Bush's wars were already winding down by the time Obama took the oath of office. So let's try again. How's that "reset button diplomacy" working out for you? With Vladdie flexing his muscles, the Arab Spring being an absolute mess, Syria getting away with using chemical weapons, Israel and Palestine still at a deadlock, and North and South Korea now trading fire, do you really think the world gives a damn about Obama pushing a meaningless button? Tenchusatsu