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To: ManyMoose who wrote (27935)	4/10/2014 12:45:15 PM
From: Honey_Bee	4 Recommendations Recommended By FJB goldworldnet locogringo ManyMoose Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 124865

This is Obama's America: Paul Joseph Watson Infowars.com April 10, 2014 UPDATE: Infowars reporters are now on the ground in Nevada. We will have live updates on today’s show. Check out the audio feed. Nevada cattle rancher Cliven Bundy has called on Clark County Sheriff Douglas Gillespie to start arresting Bureau of Land Management agents on charges of trespassing and theft as his battle against the federal government intensifies. Bundy’s dispute with the feds escalated yesterday when several of his supporters were assaulted by BLM officials. The BLM is currently rounding up Bundy’s cattle in order to enforce a regulation in order to protect an endangered desert tortoise after 600,000 acres of public land was reclassified as federal property. infowars.com

To: ManyMoose who wrote (27935)	4/10/2014 1:21:21 PM
From: Tom Clarke	1 Recommendation Recommended By ManyMoose Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 124865

The Arizona State Militia has made an official press release regarding the events unfolding in Nevada. arizonastatemilitia.com

To: ManyMoose who wrote (27935)	4/10/2014 2:15:34 PM
From: Hoa Hao	1 Recommendation Recommended By goldworldnet Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 124865

How accurate is the information?? I know the land out there is pretty fragile, but are 900 too many for an area half the size of Delaware?? Regarding the "fees", it would seem that the fees are high considering how few cattle you can raise on waterless land. Sounds like they are attempting to tax out the cattlemen... Excerpts: The federal government has shut down a scenic but windswept area about half the size of the state of Delaware to round up about 900 cattle it says are trespassing. The current showdown pits Bundy’s claims of ancestral rights to graze his cows on open range against federal claims that the cattle are trespassing on arid and fragile habitat of the endangered desert tortoise The dispute between Bundy and the federal government dates to 1993, when land managers cited concern for the federally protected tortoise and capped his herd at 150 animals on a 250-square-mile rangeland allotment. Officials later revoked Bundy’s grazing rights completely. Cannon said Bundy racked up more than $1.1 million in unpaid grazing fees over the years while disregarding several court orders to remove his animals. Bundy estimates the unpaid fees total about $300,000. He notes that his Mormon family’s 19th century melon farm and ranch operation in surrounding areas predates creation of the BLM in 1946 http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/10/expect-to-see-a-band-of-soldiers-militia-members-arrive-at-nevada-ranch/

To: ManyMoose who wrote (27935)	4/10/2014 3:07:10 PM
From: sense	1 Recommendation Recommended By alanrs Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 124865

I saw something yesterday from the family, saying that the desert tortoise being protected... is not only not "threatened" but has become enough of a nuisance that the state allows residents a DAILY quota on removing them, because they are remarkably fecund... and when they're in proximity to humans... not only does the population explode, but they're destructive of property. So, I have to question even the basis on which the decisions have been made... as it cannot be discounted that the reason the critter is on the list... is that they put it there in order to shut down this ranch.

To: ManyMoose who wrote (27935)	4/10/2014 10:31:16 PM
From: simplicity	15 Recommendations Recommended By Alan Smithee CF Rebel Geoff Altman goldworldnet lightshipsailor and 10 more members Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 124865

From what I understand, one of Bundy's ancestors purchased the rights to the land allotment back in the late 1800s. Those rights were handed down through his family until he received them in the 1970s. The 'preemptive' rights to the range were paid for well over a century ago, and the Bundy family spent well over a hundred years constructing fences and roads, tapping water sources, etc. in order to ensure the survival of their cattle. When the Bureau of Land Management came on the scene, they assessed Bundy (and other ranchers in the area) grazing fees, in exchange for their help with improvements and repairs to the ranches and their road approaches, etc. It seems to me that this is where the ranchers went wrong. Acceptance of 'government help' is akin to planning one's own suicide. They were also lending legitimacy to the BLM's presence in the area, and the eventual heavy-handed actions that followed, albeit 15-20 years later. Back in the early 90s, once it became apparent that the BLM was no longer using the grazing fees for the betterment of the ranchers, Bundy (and others) stopped paying them. It seems to me that, at that point, it was the BLM that had reneged on an agreement, and the ranchers had no obligation to fulfill their end of the bargain. Bundy, in order to attempt to handle things in an above-board manner, tried to give his grazing fees to the county, rather than the feds, but the county refused to accept them from him. Many of the other ranchers allowed themselves to be bought out by the BLM, and, when Bundy wouldn't fall in line, the feds decided to play the 'endangered species card'. Many of his cattle have been taken from him. One of his children has been tased by an 'enforcer'. Law abiding citizens who are congregating in an effort to support one of their own are being treated like common criminals, and a century-plus history of successful family ranching is being reduced to a pile of convenient bureaucratic euphemisms. This has nothing to do with an endangered tortoise, and everything to do with the arrogance of a government that has become drunk with power, and an obsession to stamp out every vestige of individual freedom that our Founders sacrificed so dearly to ensure. And it's not going to stop with Cliven Bundy.

To: ManyMoose who wrote (27935)	4/11/2014 10:42:40 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 124865

Many Moose.....Someplace today I saw your article "Our Federal Landlord" ....I've just skimmed it...EXCELLENT, and certainly gives us background for what is going on in NV today..... I am very afraid for America right now....The Federal Government needs to cool this....IMMEDIATELY ... Tempers are high, and again, the Feds are at the bottom of the, the cause. Are our Federal Officers carrying BeanBags to shoot with again????? The Bundy's appear to want not to have a "blow up" situation like WACO.....But at what point will our Government stop taking over private land???? The map in the Range Magazine article is really interesting....How did the US Government grab 82-86% of the State of NV? PS>>>> I just found that Smithee provided it for us.... Here's that post: Message 29484041 rangemagazine.com