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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (105882)	4/28/2014 12:28:06 AM
From: Maurice Winn	1 Recommendation Recommended By KyrosL Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218007

It's funny how two people see things differently. <Uh.. maybe if Putin wasn't so intent on forcing them back into it's sphere of influence, or had a better carrot to offer, maybe they wouldn't be inclined to associate with Europe.. > The impression I got was that Mrs F-Bomb was the ring-leader of over-throwing the elected president and getting Ukraine gerry-mandered, bribed and corrupted and with street violence forced into her agenda. And she didn't care about Angela Merkel of those other Euros in the EU either [or so she F-bombed]. When "ladies" are like that, it's a reasonable guide to their thinking, which is not lady-like. You are probably right though that a lot of the Ukrainians would like to join the EU, as would swarms of Africans sailing in tiny dangerous boats to get in illegally and as would any number of other impoverished people looking for a much better life, even if on welfare. UK has had to turn off free welfare for anyone who can sneak in as the human tsunami was bankrupting them. UKIP is soaring in the polls and those voters do NOT want the Ukrainians swarming in along with the other east European hordes. If Ukraine had a couple of referendums and a couple of elections, as they did in Crimea, it would be a much more sensible way to proceed than the current Kerry fantasy of unconditional surrender by the USSR, which he perhaps doesn't realize ceased to exist when Gorby refused to conduct mass murder to enforce the union. Contrary to the belief of those Godwin Law extremists, Putin is not like Adolf and has no intention of marching down the Champs Elysee or sending his equivalent of Rommel across the north African desert, nor of parachuting onto Crete or conquering Greece. Surely you don't subscribe to that idea? Kerry and co are small-minded fools blundering their way across Ukraine now that they have bungled Afghanistan and Iraq, leaving untold carnage and horrors there and shipping other ruined people back to the USA. Surely Ukraine will not be seduced by "We're the USA government and we're here to help" [Reagan's sage warning about government "help"]. Eisenhower, another prescient president, had the sense to warn against the burgeoning military industrial complex. "Nation building" hasn't been going very well in recent years. Ukraine should be warned. Kerry, Biden etc go into Kiev and initiate conflict. Perhaps Putin could be excused for doing the same. There's a lot less reason for Kerry to be in Kiev than for Putin to be there. BTW, I guess you and the USA will be supporting UK in the defence of Falkland Islands with the newly developed USA ideology, or maybe it's just hypocrisy. "Oh, that's different because Falklands Islands are far away from England". How about Scotland voting to be independent? Or Quebec? Those Euro nations are not seeking NATO membership for defence against Putin and Russia, they are wanting to get the loot available by being EU members. Look at the cash thrown at Greece. They would like a piece of that action. The Euroserfs had better think twice about letting in more tsunamis of easterners. Meanwhile, China's 1.3 billion loom large in Siberia, and west of the Urals too, and maybe into Ukraine. They are swarming into Africa and if Ukraine has resources, they might end up going east, not west. Ukraine, EU, and USA should broaden their longer term horizons and forge a natural alliance with Russia, not a state of enmity. Mqurice PS: I don't think you have thought this part through at all. You might like to review it: <The atrocities committed by Russia against these countries may have taken place under the facade of Communism, but it also took place before that.. It's not the political system that causes one people to brutalize a neighbor.. It's just the excuse to justify it. In that way, Putin has shown that Communism was not the reason Russia exploited them and committed genocide and ethnic cleansing of vast portions of their territory.> Would that be in the same way that Americans are genocidal coz they murdered lots of Amerindians and ethnically cleansed them from vast portions of their territory? And Americans had slaves. And in my memory had segregation of Negroes. And banned Cassius Clay from boxing because they wanted to enslave him to force him to go and fight Viet Cong. Fortunately, his principles were better than their's. I guess it was their nature wot did it, not their politics of the day [according to your theory]. Amusing that they were "defending freedom" like that.