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To: koan who wrote (783094)	5/2/2014 8:43:35 AM
From: one_less	1 Recommendation Recommended By TideGlider Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1578029

koan: "You don't think executing an innocent person is the crux of the matter??" no, off topic. The topic is convicted heinous criminals. Koan: "Should we execute the mentally retarded, the Schizophrenic, the psychotic?" Off topic. <<In the case of the heinous criminal, execution or life in prison are both death penalties of a sort. That is about all they have in common. Execution is death on an assigned date and life is death in prison on an unassigned date with a prison sentence added on. > Koan: "Is that how you would feel if you lost a family member?" Off topic. <<How is justice served in each of these two options according to the given criteria. "When an injustice has occurred we should be seeking resolution which is fair and is able to reconcile members of society with the nature of the event." Then we can say with full confidence, "Justice has been served.">> koan: You can never say that justice has been served as our understanding of psychology does not permit that! Justice has been served when the criteria for a just outcome has been met. I can say justice has been served, or not, or to some extent based on the criteria for justice. Koan: "Sometimes doing the right thing is difficult. You are arguing for barbaric behavior!" The behavior of heinous criminals is by definition barbaric, exceedingly cruel and brutal toward fellow human beings and with respect to society. Society has no ability to treat a heinous criminal as a fellow member with any level of humanity, because the heinous criminal has placed themselves beyond that realm. The question at hand is how do we resolve heinous events so that society can move on. You have not dealt with that question, you have only attacked me for providing you with the logic of the dilemma.

To: koan who wrote (783094)	5/2/2014 12:32:40 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578029

>>>"koan: You can never say that justice has been served as our understanding of psychology does not permit that!"<<< You are suggesting a tangential issue here. Is justice as a concept real, and if it is real then is it achievable. Justice is real on an individual basis and on a societal level as well, at least in principle. The question as to whether it is achievable in this world is debatable, however, to the extent justice is subject to perspective it is not debatable. We should begin then by asking the question, what would perfect justice be? Perfect justice on an individual basis would be when all your needs are met. Perfect justice on a societal basis would be when everyone’s needs are met completely and simultaneously. This is with the understanding that needs don’t always equal wants. Individuals often need to struggle to overcome some issue that will improve their lot in existence. Sometimes people need to be corrected in order to appreciate circumstances. Now we can ask the “achievable” question. Certainly, perfect justice is not achievable on the surface level of human experience. But we all know, or should know there are an infinite number of hidden variables operating in each of our lives. It is my perspective that perfect justice is operating and in the fullness of time and circumstance every one of us will realize it. This is the only perspective that leaves a person with a sane and hopeful outlook on their existence. I consider this a completely different area of thought than the topic we were discussing, which is about what would represent a just outcome (on a practical and applicable level) with regards to heinous events. On a practical level you can say justice has been served when the criteria for a just outcome has been met. I can say justice has been served, or not, or to some extent based on the criteria for justice (fair, resolute and reconciliatory).