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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Road Walker who wrote (36378)	5/2/2014 3:36:58 PM
From: gamesmistress	1 Recommendation Recommended By TimF Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

...end users paying for their own insurance would be a positive. And you ignore the facts that a) users have no choice but to buy the "product" if they don't want to be fined and b) many have to pay for a product that they KNOW they will not use and in many cases can't afford, never mind "subsidies." Neither of those things is a positive for consumers.

To: Road Walker who wrote (36378)	5/2/2014 3:55:59 PM
From: Lane3	1 Recommendation Recommended By i-node Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

You guys are so steeped in your hate of ObamaCare that you can't even admit that a transition to end user payee would be a good thing. I think that two issues are being conflated here. I agree with you that it's better if the employee chooses than the employer. That's a separate issue from the constraints on product offerings imposed by ObamaCare. Had we given the employee the salary to buy his own coverage pre-ObamaCare, it might have mattered. But freeing the employee from the employer's choice only to leave him with choices reduced by PPACA is not what it could have been. It's something, but not the whole enchilada. One out of three cheers.

To: Road Walker who wrote (36378)	5/3/2014 2:37:18 PM
From: TimF	1 Recommendation Recommended By gamesmistress Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 42652

end users paying for their own insurance would be a positive. Probably but its not worth government essentially dictating the terms of the market. Its about as total of government control as you can have without the government actually running the operation. Consumers had more choice with employers mostly being the direct payer for the insurance (they could often choose between multiple, sometimes very different plans, they could even choose between employers based in part on insurance options, and there still was the individual market if the employer provided plan was really that horrible)