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Politics : President Barack Obama -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: mel221 who wrote (144358)	7/11/2014 9:59:22 PM
From: Metacomet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

Obama says he needs $4billion to capture, process and return the current batch of 50K. Bullshit.. Consider the novelty of reading the proposal..

To: mel221 who wrote (144358)	7/11/2014 10:41:36 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

"Obama says he needs $4billion to capture, process and return the current batch of 50K." Laws signed by Bush say we can't send them back without a hearing, and it also says they are entitled to have legal representation for those hearings. It also says they get food, water, toilets, and a place to sleep while in custody. All that costs money. "the world's poor will continue to come and in increasingly greater numbers." I expect they will try. Gonna be a lot of migrations behind climate change and energy poverty. Harden your heart. It won't be pretty, but everybody can't fit in the lifeboat. Given the choice between letting all the swimmers capsize the boat and hitting them over the head with oars when they try, I'll go with the latter. "The liberals have invited the worlds poor to come across our borders and gain entry and possible citizenship. " In truth, Obama holds our national record for deportations. We are having a problem now on our side of the border because of conservatives; well, not really; it was bipartisan. Just before leaving office, on Dec. 23, 2008, George W. Bush signed into law the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act. This bipartisan measure, named for a 19th century British abolitionist, was aimed at extending and beefing up efforts to prevent and prosecute human trafficking and protect the victims of trafficking. More importantly, it described exactly how unaccompanied children crossing the border must be treated. For children coming from Mexico and Canada, countries with a border with the United States, a Border Patrol officer has the authority to determine whether the child is eligible to stay in the country. And because the child can be easily handed over to officials from his or her home country, the process can move very quickly. But for kids from Central America, where handing them back to authorities is more complicated, the law dictates that Customs and Border Patrol must turn undocumented children over to the Department of Health and Human Services within 72 hours. HHS will then hold them humanely until they can be released to a “suitable family member” in the United States. And the law requires HHS to ensure “to the greatest extent practicable” that these detained children “have counsel to represent them in legal proceedings or matters” who can explain how to apply for asylum or find ways to stay in the country. At the time, the changes were intended to prevent immigration officials from inadvertently sending kids back to pimps and drug violence. The bill passed with remarkable speed – introduced Dec. 9, 2008, passed the House and Senate on the 10th and signed into law 13 days later. thedenverchannel.com

To: mel221 who wrote (144358)	7/12/2014 12:25:26 AM
From: koan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 149317

That is pure bullshit. It was Bush who put forth the humane due process of illegals, not the libs. But now the mad dog pubs want to get rid of it of course. And the libs who have a conscience want to keep it. Do you just make shit up, or don't you know what is going on? And what exactly is your idea. What do you want to do to solve the problem? I think we are all curious about that one? << The liberals have invited the worlds poor to come across our borders and gain entry and possible citizenship. These liberals offer hope like no one else can. Until some resistance is offered, the world's poor will continue to come and in increasingly greater numbers.

To: mel221 who wrote (144358)	7/12/2014 11:31:04 AM
From: pcstel	Respond to of 149317

<The liberals have invited the worlds poor to come across our borders and gain entry and possible citizenship. These liberals offer hope like no one else can. Until some resistance is offered, the world's poor will continue to come and in increasingly greater numbers.< Not exactly, the Bill signed by George Bush in 2008, which was intended as being a humanitarian effort to provide due process, and prevent human trafficking to Women and Children from countries outside our direct Border Countries, (Canada / Mexico), from being quickly repatriated across the border into a country that they had no citizenship, or support network in. Women and Children from Mexico are not afforded the same "due process" as those from Central American / South American countries. This Bill passed both the House and the Senate with Bi-Partisan support. So of course, leave it to the lawyers to find unintended consequences of a Law that requires this "due process" enacted as a humanitarian gesture into a business to exploit the law. But, of course, this law only provides a form of "due process", and in no way provides "permanent residency". However, with the recent policy indications that might provide a path to citizenship, and pressures not to deport units of family members, or entire families. Then such talk has effectively "turned on the valve". Here is how it works. Let's say that (Jim) (wouldn't want to use a spanish sounding name because then I could be accused of being racist) illegally crossed the border in 2008 from his home in Guatemala. (Jim) is of course afraid of being "deported". So (JIm's family) in Guatemala, heard from others in his community, or from TV Commericals back in Guatemala, (i.e. Call 1-800-GOTOUSNOW ) that unaccompanied children will be repatriated with a family member in the US. The children and their Mothers, simply claim they are homeless in their country of citizenship, but they have Brother/Son (Jim) in Barstow. The US now delivers the unaccompanied child(ren) to (Jim) in Barstow, and now (Jim) is part of a "family unit" which (Jim) believes will exempt him from future deportation. Of course, here in the US, is other operating business units that will profit by "helping the new arrivals" to the door steps of all the possible "social services" they can receive (for a fee of course)" Once word arrives back in Guatemala that the children have been promptly delivered to their "illegal brother" in Barstow, via a nice ride on a Jet and an air conditioned bus, and "now get EBT, Meidcal, etc. at no cost, then the words spreads like "wildfire". The only Risk in the entire scheme is traveling to the border thru Mexico. When other family members cross the border and make it to (Jim's) house, then they too believe they will be exempt from deportation due to "Family" status.