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To: bentway who wrote (795638)

7/19/2014 9:29:32 AM

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The stark reality of green tech’s solar and wind contribution to world energy

Posted on July 18, 2014 by Anthony Watts

Summed in in one graph that says it all.

Roger Andrews writes:

If decarbonization is to be achieved by expanding renewables the expansion will have to come in wind, solar and biomass. So let’s take hydro out and see how far growth in wind, solar and biomass has carried us along the decarbonization path so far:

[ And almost all of that is due to politically driven mandates. ]

Clearly they still have a long way to go.

Source: http://euanmearns.com/renewable-energy-growth-in-perspective/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/18/the-stark-reality-of-green-techs-solar-and-wind-contribution-to-world-energy/#more-113190

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Stephen Rasey says:

July 18, 2014 at 10:45 am

The top graph is very deceptive. It starts in 1965. That is much too late.

It should really start in 1665. THEN wind, water, and biomass were nearly 100% of world energy consumption. By the way, where is hydro power on that chart?

It was in the 1700's that humans learned how to replace charcoal with mined coal and wind and biomass were began to take a backseat to fossil and nuclear power.
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Robert W Turner says:

July 18, 2014 at 10:53 am

@Stephen Rasey:

If you want to live like it’s 1650 then by all means wind, biomass, and hydro power are all you need. Best of luck to you.

Hydroelectric was left off because its development is not being pushed for by the green zombies, they are actually opposed to it — for some good reasons — despite it being one of the best ways to generate electricity.
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Stephen Rasey says:

July 18, 2014 at 11:32 am

@Robert W Turner at 10:53 am
@Stephen Rasey:
If you want to live like it’s 1650 then by all means wind, biomass, and hydro power are all you need.

Which is precisely the point. The only way for wind, biomass and solar to approach any substantial fraction of 100 percent of energy consumption is to reduce our energy consumption to pre-industrial revolution, agrarian, water-driven sawmills and wind-driven grain mills and water pumps. When the well-off had a mule and the rich had a horse.

The graph should not miss the point. Wind, solar, and biomass used to be 100 percent of our consumption a couple centuries ago. We grew out of that. The chart should show that reality and history.
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[ A great new slogan for the Green movement: Back to the 1600's! ]

To: bentway who wrote (795638)	7/19/2014 1:44:43 PM
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>> What was this "deciding authority"? The essential claim put forth by Arabs was set forth in 1974 by Arafat at the UN: "The Jewish invasion began in 1881". In 1867, just before that, Mark Twain wrote: "There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent -- not for thirty miles in either direction. There are two or three small clusters of Bedouin tents, but not a single permanent habitation. One may ride ten miles ... and not see ten humans. On Galilee: "These unpeopled deserts, these rusty mounds of barrenness ... a desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action". Around Jreuslem, "The further we went the more rocky and bare, repulsive and dreary the landscape became." Twain wrote much more but it doesn't get any better. The bottom line is that Arabs had no meaningful claim on the land. There is a ton of documentation of what a wasteland it was. In 1881, the year of Arafat's "invasion", Arthur Penrhyn Staney wrote, ". . . it is hardly an exaggeration to say that for miles and miles there was no appearance of life or habitation." So, one can get into the argument of the preceding history -- which is long and conclusive -- but the Arab claim essentially dates to this point in 1881 when Arafat claimed the land was taken from the Arabs. Over the years the Arafat lie has become truth to you guys in the antisemitic crowd. At the time of WWI, there were perhaps 1.5 million inhabitants of the entire region, more than half Jews. So, the argument that it was somehow "Palestine" is nonsense. You can't reasonably support the Palestinians in their pursuit of the Jews' homeland unless you first understand this history: It was NOT Arab land as recently as that time. If you want to go back to earlier times and argue the history, fine. But the fundamental argument put forth by Arafat and adopted as truth by the world since he said it is simply not factual. The Arabs had no meaningful presence in what they are now claiming as their land. One also cannot reasonably support the antisemitic position unless a sensible resolution, from the Jewish perspective, can be presented. The Palestinians have maintained that the Jews have no right to exist; they maintain the only resolution is the Jews should be dead. In the Arab-Israel War, every Arab nation in the region banded together and tried to kill the Jews, yet the Jews were able to persevere. This was after the partition. The Jews were given the land, they fought to hold onto it, and it is theirs. They subsequently gave more than half of their land to Egypt in exchange for a peace agreement. I just don't get the hatred for the Jews from liberals. These are people who have done everything they could possibly have been asked to do, and you guys continue with your hate. And even some Jews in the US now are haters, too. It is sick.